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Zootopia General: The Conspiracy Goes Deep Edition

Pastebin: pastebin.com/iYDU8g2T (embed)
ZTG Creator List: derpy.me/ztgcclist
Archives: ztarchive.com / desuarchive.org
Previous thread: https://archive.b-stats.org/trash/thread/8363204

Thematic Thursdays: "Can I stay at your place?" (due 30/March)
More information: derpy.me/trashthematicthursdays
TT Archive: t3event.tumblr.com
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Guess that everyone's asleep, and I should hit the hey as well. So good nite for now.
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>tfw its morning where I live and I just woke up
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>>8370245
brazil?
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>>8370201
Sleep tight bunner!

>>8370245
Welcome to the waking hours bunner!
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Possibly an unpopular opinion but I appreciate the Tiger Oil comic for illustrating through showing rather than telling why a relationship with Remmy and Pandora could never work out. The way she treats him is practied, professional, and detached, even perfunctory. She treats him like an aimless child who can't help himself, and in many ways, that's what he is. Even if they were capable of having a mutually-fulfilling sexual encounter (which I doubt, especially looking at how this one's going) I seriously can't see any love or romance happening between them. Remmy is just too pathetic and she's too refined. They go together like oil and water.

>tfw I typed Betty and Pandora the first time instead of Remmy and Pandora
>tfw all the responses are going to be about that instead of the actual point I was making
brb necking myself
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>>8370268
>They go together like oil and water.
>Tiger Oil

Son of a BITCH.
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>>8370254
europe
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>>8370268
>The way she treats him is practied, professional, and detached, even perfunctory. She treats him like an aimless child who can't help himself

Could not disagree more. And I do not even ship them.

>Remmy is just too pathetic

No he is not.
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>iPhone general dead
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>>8370318
>early early morning in burgerland
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>>8370268
Noted.
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>>8370296
>No he is not.

Not that anon but Remmy is pretty fucking pathetic. And I'm not just talking in the tiger oil comic.
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>>8370268
>>8370374
Tell me more, anons.

Let me see Remmy from your point of view.
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>>8370268
This, Remmy is too pathetic and is practically an aimless child, he needs someone like Betty who is also pathetic and acts like his mother.
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>>8370268
>>8370374

I just love how people adore Ozzy, Charlie and other pathetic characters.
Always come up with something like "He is traumatized! Do not hurt his smile. She had a harsh childhood...probably? You cannot blame her she is cute. Ozzy had a hard life! He is misunderstood!"

And then we go to Remmy who clearly had some harsh past himself "Nope, fucking pathetic child. He is worthless and should be left alone because that is what he deserves."
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>>8370414
Well I like all of them.
Probably because I'm a rather forgiving and gullible person.
Everyone has problems, nobody is perfect and therefore everyone of those Guys on Pack Street is Okay.
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>>8370407
>using this as an excuse for sheepdog

Absolutely disgusting.
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>>8370414
Everyone on Pack Street has a hint of pathetic in their life. But they still go on and that's what makes this fic so attractive to me.
Still the one I want to learn the most about is Don

>>8370416
>That filename
There is a special place in Hell for people like you

>>8370420
>>8370426
Source?
Those are beautiful models
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>>8370460
>There is a special place in Hell for people like you
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>>8370460
Studio models

https://twitter.com/_paul_briggs_/status/845415771119403008
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>>8370414
>>8370407
Remmy is acting pathetically around her. And yes, I realize it's partially because he's basically intoxicated, but this is painful to watch. He's falling all over her and groping like a blind fish. He might as well be mewling out the name of some high school crush. I'm half-expecting her to tuck him into bed with his little blankie and a glass of warm milk when this is over. He's needy and clingy. This is not a mutual or even enjoyable hookup. She's practically disgusted.
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>>8370414
>And then we go to Remmy who clearly had some harsh past himself "Nope, fucking pathetic child. He is worthless and should be left alone because that is what he deserves."
When Ozzy starts clumsily groping on Betty and whining "baby wants to fuck! baby wants to fuuuuck!" then maybe you'll have a fair comparison.

Bear in mind though that this is entirely a critique on Remmy as he appears in a non-canon comic. In his canon encounters with Pandora he was very composed and sometimes almost suave, but it was an act of confidence and canon or not I think we can see pretty well what he's really like when the walls are down.
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>>8370471
There are so many cute kits, without the need to have Jack's

>>8370477
Noice
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>>8370487
>She's practically disgusted.
Eh...no?

>Remmy is acting pathetically around her. And yes, I realize it's partially because he's basically intoxicated, but this is painful to watch. He's falling all over her and groping like a blind fish. He might as well be mewling out the name of some high school crush. I'm half-expecting her to tuck him into bed with his little blankie and a glass of warm milk when this is over. He's needy and clingy. This is not a mutual or even enjoyable hookup.

Why are you even following PS then?
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>>8370504
>>Eh...no?
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>>8370498
Man, he is basicly drugged.
Why are you judging a character who is drugged with aphrodisiac.
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>>8370508
Because it's fun and it triggers Remmyfags
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>>8370508
It's only an aphrodisiac to predators, sweetheart.
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>>8370508
>Man, he is basicly drugged.
Which makes Pandora a fucking rapist. I hope the comic ends with Remmy pressing charges and her going to jail.
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The truth is, Remmy is probably just sitting in some dark corner is Zootopia and slowly dying because it's winter.
Pack Street and the residents are all just imaginations of people Remmy wished to knew.


(Parody about all of those dark theorys that make me rel tired.)
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>>8370407
>>8370487
>>8370498
Someone doesn't get a really basic fetish apparently. I'd kill to be so horny that some older, experienced, caring woman would lay back and let me do my thing.

Plus I'm pretty damn sure she's getting her own fun out of it too, especially judging from the last page, so even better.
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>>8370515
She's a rapist for laying back and letting him fuck a toy she put against her own body? She's giving him the view, not the actual ride dumbass.
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>>8370530
Maybe she should have left the room so he could take care of it on his own instead of taking advantage of a drugged friend.
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>>8370527
>>8370530
Not that guy, but can I just say it's pretty fucking hot that she's doing it in such an intimate way? Like she could've just tossed him the toy and said "here, knock yourself out" but the way she's got him lying against her and letting him thrust like they were doing it for real is a really bizarre kind of comfy.
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>>8370318
>faggots still trying to force this retarded "iphone" meme
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Does someone have some tutorials/tips and tricks for drawing wet surfaces?
I tried to integrate them in my last drawing, but I failed quite miserably
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>>8370598
>butthurt furtrash mad af over his shit movie being called what it is
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>>8370512
No it is not, she only said it's unusual for prey.
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>>8370648
>lurking in furry threads
D-Do you...want to be infected?

You will.
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>>8370767
are for gay fucks
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>had a dream I was living with my parents and my mom casually walks out of my room where I have still have porn on the monitors
Whatever.

>dream is later a car ride with dad and I'm explaining a funny Nick and Judy fanfic
WAKE ME UP
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>>8370787
>Dream is telling you that you want to talk about FIcs to everyone. Even your parents, who would probable freak knowing you are a furry and fanfic write.

Welp you be fucked anon.
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>>8370706
source?
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guess who's got coffe
guess who needs early morning draw requests

it's me
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>>8370894
Good morning! Clawhauser playing DDR
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>>8370894
Remmy struggling to pick up a coin.
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>>8370894
Nick and/or Judy arguing with a construction foreman
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>>8370894
Nick and Judy staring at Remmy after he is shaved
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Hey what's bernie up to?
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>>8370910
nobody has ever beaten his score
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>>8371032
>ay ay ay I'm your little butterfly

Awesome. Love the shirt.
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>>8370117
...

Could someone please explain what's going on in this pic? Poisoned clothes? And who's the one aggressively stripping the fox?
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>>8371053
A pic for the purpose of Nick being naked, and that's an early character from Proto-zootopia (Honey), who was obsessed with conspiracies.
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>>8370477

I WANNA BUY THEM!
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>>8370894
A scene from the skunk pride parade detail.
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>>8371032
that expression.
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>>8371027
I heard bernie got tired of zootopia, ran out of ideas.
It's the opposite of me. I put quality before quantity in drawing, so I'm slow as fuck... barely drew 10% of my ideas in the last 1 year.
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>>8370935
he hates having to ask his wife for help
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>>8371165
is it alright?
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>>8370935
help this man
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>>8371027
I think bernie ragequitted because all the comics are non-canon because Fangmeyer is not the whitewolf but the Tiger. I hate it when something like this happens to me too
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>>8370515
I think that's a fleshlight in her paw. I'm pretty sure she will let him hump the toy while she pretends it's her to help him get off.
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>>8371205
kek, good work P&P

>>8371213
That's terrible!
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>>8371171
no it isn't
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>>8371273
You may not like it, but this is the ideal fox form
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>>8371199
it's amazing. he's so determined to find his samurai.
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>>8371288

A-ee-ya-ee-yai he's your little butterfly
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>>8370957
hoo boy wouldn't this be awkward
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>>8371205
Now he will never be able to buy that Double Roach Deluxe with extra Firefly Sauce!
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>>8370894
If the requests are still open

Nick Wilde meeting his true and only Idol...
...Fox McCloud
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>>8371205
>it's 2017
>Zootopia still uses coins
Cash-only businesses discriminate against ungulates.
At least put his change in the tip jar for him.
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>>8371400
>>8366328
>repost for new bread

Does oj just not come on here anymore? I really miss their work. Hope they don't end up like other dead CCs
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>>8371340
I love it.
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>>8371421
He dropped by for requests a day or two ago
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>>8371340
No, it's redwood.
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>>8371547
No, it's red wood.
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>Thematic Thursdays: "Can I stay at your place?"

My submission will be "No."
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>>8371568
Please. It's still a sore subject.
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>>8371568
Is this from a mead comic?
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>>8371592
No, from a chart of Jack Expressions.
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Reposting for the new thread; we finally finished translating Meno's comic "Judy Hopp's Family Home" (no, I am not typing out the full title).

http://imgur.com/a/5pJJJ

Thank you so much translator-anon for all the time you put into this thread, and thank you other typesetter for helping me out with the Stu section!

Now I continue my search for new japanese comi-
...and the first one I run into appears to be Nick encouraging Judy to talk to Jack Savage, so usual Nick sacrificing his happiness. Damn it all.
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wake up!
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>mfw I see a bit of myself in Remmy
>mfw I see peoples in the thread calling himself pathetic
>mfw they say he don't deserve love

whew boy
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>>8371616
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>>8371625
I see a bit of myself in Anneke

I'm a guy
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>>8371625
Remmy is one of the most relatable characters I know of.
But he is better than me.
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>>8371633
>>8371633
Cuck
Cuck
Cuck
Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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>>8371642
i think it's a sign of a good character that people of different backgrounds/genders of a character can see themselves in those characters.
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>>8371625
Remmy's fine most of the time. Wasn't really into the 'joining the pack 'deal because I felt like it sort of missed the point of Zootopia and felt too feral for the setting, but for the most part the grouchy little ram's fine.
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>>8371633
>>8371652
>*Sigh*
>Who did you fuck this time Carrots?
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>>8371599
that sounds useful, could you post it?
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>>8371652
Borba already said he takes the film as a representation of humans and that there would be no genetic difference so hybrids are fair games (iirc he said so in his Judy breastfeeding art). That said, it's still a comic that has good art, so bracing for something really fucking dumb (we still have 22 pages to go and the title is "I will survive, and Judy already told Nick she's pregnant) is advisable like with every detailed art Zootopia comic. Doubly so because Borba already made some pretty meh plotwise comics.
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Honestly if you're mad about the way Tiger Oil is playing out it's because you're self inserting as Remmy and you really want to fuck Dora

Literally no other reason
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>>8371689
I don't have it together, just one by one
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>>8371388
yes
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>>8371699
I happen to like creampies and all things cum, so I think it's a shame that he's not actually fucking her.

Not mad, just shrugging that my own particular fetish isn't being catered to at this point in time.
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>>8371633
I'd like to order one day of nick and Judy lounging around in their undies, please
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>>8371747
Something something she is happier with another bunny something.
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>>8371699
While I don't necessarily agree with your reasons I think people are kinda being anal about it.
He's drugged up with an overly-large dose of a potentially aphrodisiac drug being a total predophile already.
Of course he's going to be stupid horny, you think he's gonna whip out some fucking spreadsheets and tell Dora all the reasons she's hot or something?
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>>8371714
Thank you.
>Nicks favourite Video Game Figure
>Always wanted to cosplay him
>Never found time
>Skip twenty years
>Nick forgot about Gox Mc Cloud and the Game
>Gets from Judy a Present
>Two Tickets to a Game Con
>Remembers how he always wanted to dress as Fox Mc Cloud
>The next Week Judy and "Fox Mc Cloud" go to the Game Con.
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>>8371698
>bracing for something really fucking dumb is advisable like with every detailed art Zootopia comic.

sigh.

Have there been any comics that don't immediately go to shit? How hard is it for an artist to coordinate with a decent writer?
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>>8369535
If you were a mouse would you /zg/?
Would you make the most at being at crotch height for a lot of animals
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>>8371770
cute
toyah
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>>8371699
I don't care for it because I haven't jerked off in like 10 days. Can't really give a damn about a balanced story right now, I just need Remmy to fuck a tiger.
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>>8371699
yes, and?
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>>8371781
>working with a writer avoids dumb plot
uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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>>8371781
Hey I asked the same question some threads ago.

But I believe the Answer will be the same like I recieved...

>No
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>>8371770
>They have weird sex in cosplay.
>Lines from the game were said during.
>He actually did a barrel roll.
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>>8371795
I have to agree, it avoids nothing.
My favourite Example for this is Mr. Ken Penders, a great person when it comes to create horrible disfigured things/storys/art.
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>>8371795
>"Decent writer"
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>>8371699

Self insert? As REMMY?

It's not like these threads have become entirely about that, after they were about self inserting as Nick.
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>>8371802
>Security has cameras in lockers
>Guard is not interested in that
>Calls other guards
>Door is broken open

And thats why Judy and Nick are now banned from all cons in Zootopia.
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>>8371782
With a lion? A fox? Hell no, it'd be like having a terrifyingly large ant crawling around your junk.
A squirrel, bunny, otter? Now there's some potential
>>8371795
>>8371800
>>8371781
Id honestly be infinitely more forgiving about the subpar stories if someone just improved the goddamn grammar. Any burger monkey couled fix it in 15 seconds before it was sent out
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>>8371802
somebody draw this
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>>8371819
I dunno, when people go with the whole "let's do something amazing" they end up trying too hard, maybe because of a comic or because it's a work of two people but still. They bite more than they can chew and it goes into meh/shit territory really quick. This is considering a decent writer too, it's easy as fuck to mess up.
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>>8371849
Is there nothing holy in this is world anymore!?
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>>8371819
>>8371795
Yeah, I qualified "decent." You're very much onto something.

Inter Shminter is literally insane
JiD is... was that another writer? MAX ABLOO aside, I seem to remember nighthowler balloons and shit were involved.
Rem draws comics based on Aiomotion's OOC miscommunication/non-communication fetish
WutBurrows is a direct sequel to Water Under The Bridge, which went off the rails at the end.
Sunderance is so out of character and in such a wacked-out unexplained AU that "Nick" and "Judy" might as well be entirely different characters.
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>>8371859
what's wrong with "do it yourself" merchandise?
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>>8371860
Nicolas Wilde
(Could I hear your opinion about her Comic and "wonderful" creation)
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>>8371802
>He actually did a barrel roll.
Sweet Jesus
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>>8371781
Hasn't Mead been working with a writer?

Also the Black-Jack comic is a colab with a writer
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>>8371849
>Clawhauser comes with little neck donut
Nice.
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>>8371884
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>>8371870
Nothing, it was just a joke about merchandise in common. Since you see, well..there is merchandise about everything

(I like these crochet figures, they look cute)
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>>8371849
>>8371889
10/10 crochet would buy and learn.
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>>8371893
>there is merchandise about everything

let's be glad Zootopia is not as popular as Frozen.
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>>8371893
>there is merchandise about everything
Yea, cuz people want it.
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>>8371915
My apologize but, I don't think there was a person that said out loud the following.

"Man I really, REALLY wish there would be a Crochet Set about Zootopia Charakters!"
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>>8371925
Yea, but now that I know it's out there, I do want it.
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>>8371874
Oh, I knew there was one I forgot. I think it was Weaver who dismantled that one perfectly - inasmuch as there was a coherent "story" to that failed concept to begin with, it blew out both its own kneecaps when it decided to introduce the zombie conspiracy as explanation for collars and segregation.

Any kind of meaningful character growth or recognition of their own biases and prejudice got totally handwaved away. "Oh, it's not your fault, you don't have to improve as a person or even confront your own flaws. It's the shadow illuminati's fault, just blame them and keep your own head in the sand."

To say nothing of the weird SJW tilt/pansexual nonsense.
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>>8371874
Not that anon but the point was also specifically about "detailed art" Zootopia comics, which Zistopia is arguable.
But with that comic, I believe Weaver explained what was wrong with it on a fundamental level; where as Zootopia's message is that we are all responsible for bias and prejudice, and need to make a conscious effort to better ourselves, Zistopia is basically "Oh, it is all the fault of evil politicians and business figures, without them the world would be a happy place!"
This is not including the random moments of sexual identification that the comic slams into our faces.

>>8371881
If I remember correctly, Mead didn't work closely with WriteAnon for JiD, but is now for WutBurrow.

>Also the Black-Jack comic is a colab with a writer

See >>8371860
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>>8371928
Damn that's actually really cute.
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>>8371890
>A ticc detailed 3D Judy Hopps model!

>>8371928
awfully cute
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writer
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>>8371960
Fuck that guy.
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>>8371962
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>>8371956
>AU where Judy goes to get help from PI Mr. Wilde, who turns out to be a red fox
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Wooo, lets keep shitting on something that we already agree is bad.
Stop trying to feed your ego's, being able to repeat a popular consensus does not mean you are smart.
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>>8371802
>>8371770
>>8371828
>>8371879
he just wanted to find the bathroom
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>>8371984
Thank you.
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>>8371860
>>8371944
etc.

Let's turn this around.
Which artists and writers would you pair up to get decent results from, /ztg/?
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>>8371698
>Judy breastfeeding art
This is cute
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>Spivvy Poohead is the prime minister elected In the Zootopian kingdom of mUGH; As a gadfly he is ego-directed And he thrives on a love-me drug. King Lawksamercy is the head of state (With mad-hatter flunkeys at court); He's a popular source of an annual debate With his family on income support. Welcome to the Zootopian kingdom of mUGH, where the citizens - ruled by King Lawksamercy and their elected leader, Spivvy Poohead - find themselves dragged into wars they don't understand, overshadowed by smoky domes of doom and opressed by a media culture of glamshitology. Those who can still think for themselves are comforted only by laughchoke - or satire - of which this collection of poetry is a sterling example.
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>>8372011
that's a good question.

I'd like to see AnotherKnight, ACA, or Italian goose boy collaborate with someone.
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>>8371940
Thank you for telling me your opinion.
And I have to agree
Especially the whole SJW/nonsense.
Because the whole thing how she sees the word "queer" and how she is using it is kind of unclear.
I mean I kind of enjoyed the thing of that there was a group of people that wanted to lind of keeping the predators under the belt.
Still it wasn't the excuse for other peoples personal problems and how they handeled them.
>>8371944
Secondet

>>8371982
I'm not feeding my ego. I just wanted to hear somone else opinion about that.
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>>8371984
Nick, you sick bastard

>>8372011
Replyanon and BoneyM
For spicy lewds

Bernielover and the author of "This is what true love looks like"

Tegaki and the sun
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>>8372038
Someone save those abominations from their misery.
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>>8371984

>Guide shows a group of students the con
>Explains about histoy of video games and consoles
>Shows them arround and the companys that a showing here there new games
>Opens as a joke the storage room
>Guides eyes go wide
>Students eyes go wide and make photos with the mobile phones.
>Nick and Judys eyes go wide
>Arkward silence
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i know we're never going to see these characters again, but we'll keep them forever in our hearts.
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>>8372011
I can't think of any specific pairings, but a writer I would like to see their work turned into comic form is hannahberrie.

http://archiveofourown.org/users/hannahberrie/pseuds/hannahberrie/works

Most of their works are generally cute/pretty in character. Their college AU is good, and chapter 17 of their one-shot collection "Change Starts with Us" ( http://archiveofourown.org/works/6720649/chapters/17003298 ) is still one of my favorite one-shots of all time.

There are a few other writers/works I would think could work in comic form, but hannah is at the top of my list.
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>>8372188
foxe overload
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>Nick will never be your dad
>Nick will never buy you a giant jumbo pop for your birthday
>Nick will never gently kiss you on your forehead when you're feeling down

Feels bad, man
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>>8372058
I have mixed feelings about the work of Zistopia, as a begginer drawer, i feel like i should respect her work, because is pretty decent. As a old lurker, i was pretty tied to Zistopia for only one thing, Wildehopps. I would skip every other aspect just to enjoy some good Wildehopps, and i'm still waiting.

As a critique/opinion, i guess the story is doomed to be pretty low-standar. The only thing i can care of is that they have collars and nothing more, and the rest is just filler (boring worldbuilding) and philosophycal/sjw/stuff that i don't care.

The only thing i'm sure is...

PRAISE HIM
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>>8372038
Such dedication, such craftsmanship, to make something so, so shitty.
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>>8372194
>Nick will never steal money from you and tell you it's what you get for freeloading under his roof
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>>8372198
>praising a loose canon who nearly destroyed whole project

yeah, nah.
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>>8372361
>You run out of money for him to take
>Takes your virginity instead
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>>8370706
hmm.... wynn?
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>>8372082
Looks like Tegaki needs some warm.
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>>8371731
>I happen to like creampies and all things cum
My nigga.
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>>8372055
i'd like to do something with either of them (or high cow, as well), whether it be art or writing
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Nick is for ____
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>>8372601
not being talked about until zoop2pia so we can focus on pack street
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>>8372601
cucking
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>>8372610
I like Nick. I think he's great.
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>>8372610
Pack street doesn't interest me.
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>>8372601
Brushies. All over. Until he's dripping with anticipation.
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>>8372625
You interest me.
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>>8372198
He judy and I have something in common
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>>8372601
Nick is for Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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What kind of stories does ZTG want to see more of?
Genres or concepts you've been looking for?
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>>8372675
cuck fics are always welcome
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>>8372675
If you're going to do the advice of this anon,
>>8372692

I suggest you do it with Nick and that cute otter Kris.
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>>8372675
Anything that seems like it's in the same universe as the movie. None of this zipperflash style edgy cussing or drugs or sex, just good old fashioned Disney uses of the lord's name in vain.
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>>8372675
> Wildesavage (romance or bromance, both are fine)
> more detective stories with actually engaging, interesting cases - not with another Nighthowler (or its derivative) problem
> sci-fi/space stuff
> stories set in early ages of animal civilazation
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>>8372805
>sci-fi/space stuff

Yes please
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>>8372675
>Taking note of responses to make sure my content comes out of left field
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>>8372675
>Nick as the butler for a Victorian-era Hopps family
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>>8372759
This is why I'll never fully enjoy Pack Street. I follow it so I can keep up with the general, but the fact that it's not very Zootopia-y besides the setting is kind of a turn-off for me.
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>>8372805
>>8372819
I've been toying with the idea of writing something with a retro-futuristic theme, would that be something the thread would be interested in or are you guys looking for more cyberpunk/hard sci-fi stuff?
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>>8372759
I second that, the amount of depressing/really dark stuff I pretty high
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>>8372805
>>8372819
I need to finish this damn story so I can switch over to a space AU. It's been too long.
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>>8372635
So you want to blueball him? How rude anon.
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>>8372914
>>8372759
Yeah. I don't mind more realistic language (cussing etc), but I would like the subject of the stories to be a bit lighter.
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>>8372882
Have you read https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12095217/1/A-Moonlight-s-Stroll ?

Speaking of, NiiroNero, if you're here - are you planning to continue this and The Maiden's Knight?

>>8372910
>retro-futurism
yes please
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>>8372759
>no drugs
>trying to write nick and judy drunk


fuki

time for cough medicine
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Is Hell/Heck considered cussing?
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>>8372910
>I've been toying with the idea of writing something with a retro-futuristic theme
Please do! It's a genre we don't see enough of
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>>8372991
Only if you're six years old or younger.
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>>8373003
Dunno I got soaped for saying hell when I was young.
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>>8372759
Isn't using the lord's name in vain a new development for Disney? Especially with this movie which had more religious references than Hunchback.
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>>8373010
My mother dunked my brother's head in the toilet because that's where potty language belonged.
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Why are there so many writers who write bad fics?
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>>8372991
Hell is. I was surprised to see it in the new Beauty an the Beast.
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>>8373054
bcuz u touch urself @ night
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>>8373042
So lame his own mom gave him swirlies.
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>>8373076
bully
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>>8373054
because of the sheer number of writers in general, and statistics holds that most of them must be bad.
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>>8373054
Because writing takes a lot of practice, just like any form of art.
Making any mistake detracts a lot from the piece as a whole, and people usually give up on reading your stuff after seeing a few grammatical issues. Once you get past that, it falls upon sentence structure and word choice. If the writing is boring, people are going to drop it quickly.
And then there's making the story in general--making sure you have a good plot and good characters and then putting them in the right situation.
But what I think gets people the most is the lack of experience. It's a lot easier to write what you know, and when you're young, you haven't experienced a lot of things. That's why it's easy to have an idea, but hard to put it on the page.
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>>8373076
He never said "shit" again.
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Mlem
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>>8371878
the fuck is wrong with that C-3PO
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>>8373196
Mlem yourself.
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bun needs her daily dose.
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>>8373247
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>>8373247
thanks doc
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>>8373247
>>8373254
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>>8373054
>Why are there so many artists who draw bad pictures?
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>>8372601
jack
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>>8373254
>>8373247
>>8373275
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>>8372955
Yes I have, that and https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12412015/1/Shadows-Assumptions-and-Lies (which, admittedly, requires some sense of disbelief with Nick cutting off a bear's paw with a hooked dagger) has me interested in that type of AU.
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Reposting these requests once more in the hope that the requesters will see them

>Requesting a Nick version of >>8285157 only it's a sheep dummy going to get stabbed.
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>>8373384
>Two teenage bunnies awkwardly sitting side-by-side on the bed while their sex-hormones are driving them insane.
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>>8372584
i'm looking foward to start making collabs, and i was thinking about making something more than simple pics, like short comics. Made a little research on comic design and backgrounds, and right now i'm practicing a lot of anatomy. Glad to know people wants to work with other artists, here!

>>8373063
I knew it.
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Squirrel problems
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>>8373416
>More ageswap AU stuff, love middle aged Judy and young Nick
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>>8371755
>Something something she is happier with another bunny something.
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>>8370228
>that bulge is non-canon even in the fantasy world that zootopia takes place in
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>>8372675
We need more mammals being grabbed and forced to cum endlessly, by multiple hands.
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>>8373473
>hands
Uhh....paws, or what have you.
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>>8373473
Something like a free-use mounting block in a high-end orgy club?
You can just saddle up and let whoever have a go at you. I'd like that.
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>>8373451
>Nick holding up a mouse by his shirt, the mouse trying to punch his nose
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>>8373504
>Judy cracking her knuckles loudly while Nick looks with a disappointed look.
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>>8373473
>>8373490
>>8373498
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>>8372675
Giant robits, nothing more zootopian than giant robits fighting other robots or giant fire breathing lizards.

Or some private detective Hopps.
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>>8373469
>Nick stuffed his Speedo with a rolled up sock.
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>>8373526
>Henrietta?
>Maybe have her stressing out over something incredibly trivial.
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>>8373570
>If remmy is a pred that dont eat meat
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>>8373424
oh like that isn't what she secretly wanted anyways.
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>>8373548
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>>8373498
More than that, anon. Mammals on the street being briefly abducted, for this purpose.
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>>8371714
>>8371770
>>8371984
poifect
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>>8373644
I've had a fic idea like this about a twink lion being set up on the "mounting block," where all these rich people get to fuck/peg him or practice whatever weird fetishes they have.
I would like to write it very much.
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>>8373460
Does are for bucks.
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>>8373644
Should also say that the subject would be restrained somewhat.

>>8373668
Do it.
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>>8373681
I'm okay with savagehopps as long as it's not at Nick's expense (and vice versa), this pointless abloo has to stop
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>>8373668
They'd pay whomever is taking a turn being the centrepiece for the party in "experience."
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>>8371755
>Something something she is happier with another bunny something

Wew lad, combined with the fact that this author's handwriting is fucking awful, I'll just do this page as a courtesy

That, and I honestly don't think I could DO the rest
The handwriting's REALLY bad

>どうだよ
>ジュディの笑顔は俺だけに向けられるべきじゃないんだ
Nick: "What else can I do,
Judy's smiling face isn't supposed to only be aimed at me"

ABLOOBLOO SAD CUCC FOX
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>>8373713
Confession anon?
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>>8371613
Still an incredibly cute comic
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>>8373715
But the Nick abloo is the point. Really do you think Jack is the star? Judy?
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>>8373718
>>8373713
>>8373644
Wew.
Wew fucking lad.
This hits all the right buttons.
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>>8373734
tasteless pleb
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>>8373743
wewwad
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>>8373681
Their intended function is irrelevant because pretty much everyone has figured out that other uses are way more fun.
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>>8372675
More actual police stories would be great. Nick and Judy solving crimes and running the daily beat. Zootopia's such a solid cop movie on top of everything else, it's a shame I don't see a ton of stuff that explores that angle.
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>>8373763
I think a lot of people just don't know how to write cops. It's hard with so many facts about the correct codes etc that people will call you out on.
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>>8373054
Writing is harder than people think. It's an art like everything else, and one people kind of deride and underestimate these days.

Fanfiction's a great way to practice, actually.
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>>8373504
Finish the f(etish)
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>>8373781
This, I'd prefer writing whodunnit with clueless characters than with Judy and Nick.
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>>8373763
I think the big problem there is that people don't actually know much about cops or their procedure. I for one would love to be able to write a solid cop story about them but I don't have even a fraction of the knowledge I'd need to do so, probably.
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>>8373713
Tied to a bench, or suspended at about hip height?
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>>8373783
This.
People expect way too much from fic authors, and I always get sad when people force others to quit.
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>>8373724
Who?
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>>8371616
>>8371633

I notice they aren't wearing rings.
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>>8373804
Something that you can lay down on that would make it look similar to riding a motorcycle--leaning forward, ass presented, legs dangling off the side, spasming uselessly in the air as the lion cums after being fucked over and over.
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>>8373761
Cute lewds are the fucking greatest
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>>8373840
So the same pose then. Suspended by its shoulders and hips, arms tied behind back and legs frog-tied apart. Can swing or turn the centrepiece freely. After all, for the rich it's all about presentation.
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>>8373802
I mean it's a fantasy setting; Nick and Judy already get around cop stuff a lot in the movie. It's fairly easy to research the codes you need; WoD has a book about the basics you need to make cops at least sound like cops, which is all you really need. People have more suspension of disbelief than you'd think-just look at cop shows, which are usually wildly inaccurate about actual police procedure for the sake of a good story
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>>8373804
Could be both, actually. Different situations call for flexibility.
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>>8373460
Hey, I didn't make it, I just posted it.

>>8373715
I am of the same opinion concerning anything non-WildeHopps, at least if the pairing is the priority. If the story is about Nick's angst because of "abloo abloo can't have bun", then alright; I'll still hate the story and everything, but at least it chooses to point out "Hey, this is the theme of the story, not specifically the non-WildeHopps pairing."

Probably repeated myself a dozen times on this, but this is my main issue with Judeon; those stories tend to be less about Judy and Gideon and more of "FUCK YOU WILDEHOPPS!"

>>8373721
I thank you for translating that awful handwriting and apologize on the same verse. Granted that comic is obvious even without the translation, because fuck Nick right?

We must have sad fox who can't have bun; we can't have a fox who isn't interested in Judy/interested in other females/maybe just too burnt out on relationships in general by now.

>>8373732
It really is, along with everyone stays in-character; Judy is cheerful but playfully puts her foot down when Nick acts silly, Nick isn't lazy but likes fooling around a bit, he didn't freak out on Gideon while also trying to one-up him (which I can totally see him doing), and Stu was a real treat. You can see him struggling a bit with his previous views, trusting and going with Judy's judgement as well as being a fun father.

Also the Afterward 2 of the comic made me tear up a bit.
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>>8373875
Exactly.
One person might come up and just lick his feet while masturbating, or another might eat out his ass after some mammals have gone a couple rounds.
Even though I don't particularly enjoy all these fetishes, it's more about the control they have over him to do whatever.
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>>8373875
>>8373907
This works.

Thanks for taking on my idea, anons.
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Show me the dick, /ztg/
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>>8373901
Would this group of jet-set fetishists only have one piece of entertainment? More than one and it could easily turn into a no-holds barred orgy, but they'd probably want to maintain some semblance of class, like a party. Hors d'oeuvres, music, fancy dress, and if you feel like it you can step up onto the dais and relieve your erection/live out a fetish on the entertainment.
>>8373907
All about the control. Bonus points if the guy/girl doing it is poor and being paid very little for their time as the entertainment.
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>>8373906
>we can't have a fox who isn't interested in Judy/interested in other females
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Everything's going to be alright, anon.
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>>8373947
No
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>>8373981
Al's fur is white, easy to hide the "fun."
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>>8374004
But the splooge is radioactive and glows in the dark
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>>8373973
I like the idea of a nice dinner party going on in the background. Adds a nice atmosphere. The idea of these people getting messier as the party goes on (cum on their own clothes, disheveled dresses/fur) is fucking hot.
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Instead of "ABLOOBLOO SAD CUCC FOX", let's have more Jude x Jack.

Jude knows what he wants.
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>>8374023
>Al goes to a club after working some overtime at the construction site
>It has a black light.
>He's literally glowing.
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>>8374036
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>>8373979
No.
I'm going to get laughed out of /ztg/.
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>>8374050
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>>8374059
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"P&P vs. HC - The deathmatch for the requests"

Place your bets
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>>8374032
They'd be wearing things that allow ease of access. The gents would have tuxedo chaps and the ladies', gowns split down the middle in case they want to use its tongue.
It never goes full Caligula, but while the band plays Barch and Volevaldi and pleasant conversation is had, there's always a faint grunting and moaning in the background.
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>>8374079
what are the odds on the elephant?
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>>8374084
>Somone stands by idly pushing and pulling anal beads out of him while they talk to another person about their business plans.
Yes please
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>>8373973
Usually one piece, but they can increase according to the number of fetishists involved.

On another note, they could keep a rotation of subjects.
Best not to break any of them. Carry them to the brink instead. Rinse and repeat.
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>>8374111
>Middle-aged heiress holds its face against her ass to make it rim her, speaking with the mayor and summoning a waiter to freshen her drink
Damn the rich are kinky.
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>>8373947
This is a Christian image board, anon.
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>>8373469
to be fair, so are her breasts
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>>8373874
Source?
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>>8374124
>>8374128
This is good. Very good.
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>>8374079
That came out great.
Thank you for indulging in my shitpost that you had to fight to the death.
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>>8374124
They'd find fairly willing subjects and train them to be good centerpieces.
These mammals would all live normal lives otherwise, but the day of the party they'd receive a text summoning them to whatever ballroom it's held at, and they'd have no choice but to comply, plans or minimum-wage jobs be damned.
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>>8373529
Normally I don't into hyper-sexualisation, but this is really hot for me.
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>>8374154
No problem. I actually got a lot of advice from HC, so I learned a ton drawing with him.
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>>8373618
>Hall and Oates muffled in the distance
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>>8373715
If I didn't have context of your post, I'd think this was a great comic and I'd ask for source

Unless you mean to tell me it's NOT cucc
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>>8374103
he's going to lose, but just in case, tell my wife i love her.

>>8374154
thanks! it was fun to draw until the part where i realize i'm surely dead
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>>8374193
It's literally on the filename.
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>>8373761
>Every family (taxonomy) has a different sexual quirk
>Each one brags that it is the best lay
>It all comes down to personal preference / experience
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>>8373763
>>8373802
>>8373895

A rash of property crimes trips up critical operations at the city's chief utility contractor, and Nick and Judy are on the case.

Includes staring at surveillance footage, frustratingly slow collection of evidence, dead-end interviews, background checks, cell site simulators, dangling from the Palm Hotel, showdowns at taserpoint, and everyone from the freshest of ZPD rookies to titans of industry realizing that just because you can do something doesn't always mean you should.


Coming whenever it finally meets my stratospheric standards.
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>>8372214
Said your father to your mother after you were born
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>>8374255
Sure this sounds pretty good.
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>>8373849
Her expression is the kinda shit that keeps me going
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>>8374255
>Coming whenever it finally meets my stratospheric standards.
I find the best cure for something like this is to read a bunch of really shitty fanfiction and realize much worse than yours has been published.
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Why are you refreshing this thread every few seconds even with auto refresh on for new posts? Shouldn't you be working on your TT? Or are you skipping it again?
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>>8373424
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HEY ANONS.

What's Gucci my dukes?

-P h a n t o m
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>>8374387
It's a weird TT and I don't know what to do for this.
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>>8374226
>IF I DIDN'T HAVE CONTEXT
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>>8374036
>Panel 1
>いっ
Jack: "Ow"

>Panel 6
>ヤメロ
>トライエブリシングするな
Jack: "STOP
STOP TRYING TO 'TRY EVERYTHING' "
>ハイ。。。
Jude: "Okay..."

>>8374050
>Panel 1
>焦らずちゃんと僕を見ろ! まずは落ち着け
Jack: "Stop rushing and look at me properly! First, calm down"
>あ。。。あの。。。歯って。。。どう。。。しまえば。。。?
Jude: "Uh... Um... My teeth... Maybe if I could retract them...?"
>ウイーン ガガ
SFX: UIIIIN GAGA (Robot noises; retracting teeth)
>お前大丈夫なの?
Jack: "Are you sane?"

>Panel 2
>いやあの
Jude: "No, um"
>だってこんな
"About this, I mean"
>緊張で全然ダメで。。。あの
Jude: "There's no point in getting nervous... um"

>Panel 3
>。。。どんなキスがしたい?
Jack: "... What kind of kiss do you want to do?"

>>8374059
>Panels 1-2
>どんな。。。
>って。。。
Jude: "What kind...
You say..."
>ゴク
Gulp

>Panel 3
>ジャックさんが好きな、やつ。。。
Jude: "I love you, Jack" (TN: Said in a really masculine way; almost to the extent of "I love you, bruh")
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>>8374420
>"I love you, bruh"

Getting your incisors stuck on your bro incissors. No homo.
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I'm an idiot, forgot to add I submitted my TT.

It's supposed to project holographic screens by spinning as fast it can to create a steady, moving image.

It can even project wirelessly to any type of screen as long as it has Bluetoot capabilities.

Expensive tastes for an expensive lynx.
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To the anon who's making a greentext story of my OC.

Just read it. Can't wait to see it finished, as well as the rest of the OCs you plan on writing. Hell, I might even take some scenes of Alec and draw them out.

Bless you dear anon.
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>>8374133
R-Really!

>slowly puts out Bible out of his bag
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>>8374387
I'm gonna do a green for TT, every time I tell myself I'll write an actual story I fuck it up. Greens don't require a lot of time, they're challenging, and once I post the first bit I'm locked in and gotta keep going.
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>>8374387
>Why are you refreshing this thread every few seconds even with auto refresh on for new posts?
I like the satisfaction that clicking refresh and having the new posts show up brings.

>Or are you skipping it again?
If I can't even get myself to finish fics that I am interested in I sure as shit can't start a fic using a topic I'm not interested in.
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>>8374255
>Zoot toot won't be a pseudo-noir / realistic procedural that the previous movie would logically lead it to be
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>>8374368
It certainly does help. I made the mistake of committing to subplots with contemporary social commentary, though. It needs the right touch.

I also do this with everything I write, as a matter of personal compulsion. I'm writing niche fan fiction for a disney movie about talking animals, damn it. I refuse to coast on good enough.
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>>8374387
Give me a FUCKING BREAK, anon

No I'm not skipping
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>>8374498
>I made the mistake of committing to subplots with contemporary social commentary
Jesus chirst dude that's intense. I look forward to reading it whenever you end up releasing it.
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>>8374448
i bet this nerd mains bastion
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>>8374159
It shouldn't be too hard to make a subject willing either, but I guess that should be kept as something separate.
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>>8374368

Check THIS out.
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>>8374669
Give the author a trophy of literature and a book contract.
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Statistically speaking, Cliff and Neil are probably the only gays on Pack Street
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>>8374694
>but the story is also great, isn't it? And the dialogues too."
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>>8374700
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>>8374662
That's sort of the question: is this a big kidnap/rape club, or is it the kind of hedonism that only the truly rich can afford? Would the centrepieces be kept mammals, or "contractors"?
They're training is probably a little more hands-on and intensive than the training video they make you watch your first day at Bug Burga.
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>>8374694
>because i am aware of you
why are half the people in this fucking thread eldritch abominations who follow me home at night
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>>8374694
She's so innocent
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>>8374662
Anybody else feeling the itch to write this?
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>>8374715
Delet this.
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>>8374694
Why do writers constantly need to do this? Its cringy
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>>8374694
>writefag_and_(You)s.png
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>>8374727
I love reading each elipses as someone not letting go of the last syllable for a full 2 seconds before hastily beginning the next line
"Hey but.."
"Yeah..."
what did they mean by this?
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>>8374694
I'm saving this for when people ask Why don't writefags and drawfags work together to make a comic.
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>>8374745
>>8374751
This is the literal worst way to bring up this issue, and it makes them look like a whiny bitch.
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>>8374774
I like shouting the word "ELLIPSES" whenever I come to one. It'll kill you in this piece of work, but it's usually amusing.
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>>8374715
>Cliff and Neil
>Gay
Was this revealed at some point or is it just speculation?
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>>8374694
Don't we constantly complain about the way this is written anyways? Like...you may wanna distance yourself from this one brotha
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>>8374729
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>>8374786
What issue? An actual artist is drawing their story, they should be grateful
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>>8374255
uuggghhhh yes please.

throw in some tension between our heroes and you've got solid fucking gold.
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>>8374817
This reminds me of Kill Six Billion Demons for some reason, and I love it
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>>8374809
Either they're gay or they got a serious bromance going on
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>>8374817
heh
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>>8374821
I thought this situation was about artists asking writers, not the other way around. If it is, then that person needs to stop.
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>>8372675

I'd love to see a non-autistic exploration of Nick and Judy's kids. No cucking, no surrogate parent(s) / sperm donor, no freaky male pregnancy, and an honest attempt to address the issue of hybrid kids, how they'd have them, and what life would be like for them growing up.
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I feel like drawing something stupid that im probably going to regret spending my time on, gimme some suggestions. Preferably something more on the silly side.
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>>8374817
saved
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>>8374900
An inexplicably tall Finnick bullying Nick?
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>>8374786
Because probably she read somewhere else or whatever "Rem's comic" when talking about Blackjack and got triggered for the billionth time.

Thought tbqhwumf comics get infinitely more attention than writing, they wouldn't be saying "Aoi fanfic" they wouldn't be saying anything at all. Especially if it's just another "jack judy nick love triangle wildehopps will they wont they that I already spoiled by saying they will".
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>>8374396
What did he mean by this?
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>>8374226
>>8374193
>>8373715

>When we have been conditioned to expect Jack at the mere mention of the word "Savage"
>This is, in fact. A OC's of the military persuasion in Zootopia. With Nick/Judy Romance and Relationship issue's due to trying to balance friendship and work.
>And Nick can't seem to handle it.
>And Savage mammals seem to be happening again or will.

Honestly it looks nice and all, but I have a feeling that this is going to be another IS. IN that they may be a major focus now, but that's only going to happen until the MAIN stuff happens.

Have you seen the cover picture with all large full-body pictures of like a dozen OC's, and Nick/Judy is SUPER small?
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>>8374900
Judy never learning sex-ed so when she hears the term "kits" she assumes you have to assemble children like fucking lego sets

Nick desperately trying to correct her when she wants to head to the hardware store after hearing Nick wants to have kits with her
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>>8373715
>Savage Company
>Nick's first appearance
>He's already pissy and whiny and basically a terrible example of a "people person"
i knew it was gonna be bad and i'm still disappointed
i wonder why people like to write so Nick poorly
is it envy, incompetence, or both?
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>>8374900
Gang war between Pack Street OCs and other OCs like Shorty Squad
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>>8374900
Violet Hopps and Nick fighting over who cares more about Judy, leading over to physical violence.
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>>8374923
sure bud ill try my best.
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>>8374856
Getting a draw of your story is pretty much the highest form of praise, getting a comic is like winning the blowjob lottery. This person is crying because they're not getting recognition for the comic someone is drawing of their story.
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>>8374728
For the concept being discussed here, it'll take the route of hedonism. Although kept mammals is alluring, it's more high maintenance than would be expected.

Contractors are better. Having a mammal that's the owner of a local business in public, and a "subject" in secret, might make for a more layered, exotic ecperience.
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>>8375006
The point being that they could literally be anyone. Owner of a local hardware store, burger flipper, busker, teacher.
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>>8374255

>A rash of property crimes trips up critical operations at the city's chief utility contractor

Dude, my Zoosona works for Zootopia Power - he'd be PISSED. :)
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>>8374883
Maybe that's what Borba's comic is about? I mean it is the guy who made "LOL SHE CHEATED ON HIM", broken grammar and the Nighthowler prank comic, but still.
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>>8374900
Nick verbally shitposting and Judy getting PISSED
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>>8375000
It's a collab work, totally different.
It's not like Rem is giving her a "gift", it's her half of the work
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>>8374956
>i wonder why people like to write so Nick poorly

I feel like people either misinterpret or simply forget Nick and Judy's personalities in the movie.

Nick was a con-man; he had to be able to play on people's emotions, and thus know how to read them. He also had to be able to keep his emotions in check when faced with prejudice. The only times he completely lost his cool was either in a life or death situation (Mr. Big, Manchas) and at the press conference, when he thought Judy believed in him. Sure he was annoyed throughout the movie, but he kept his wits about him while at times being silly (finding the Jerry Vole CDs, touching Bellwether's hair). So it makes no sense if suddenly, when he becomes a cop of all things, he is whiny, can't control his emotions, a pissant jealous teenager, etc. Maybe he doesn't know how to deal with certain emotions that well, but he should be able to control himself.

Judy, on the other hand, doesn't seem to really KNOW how to talk to people. She is kind, energetic, and doesn't mean to hurt anyone. However she doesn't seem to think too far into the future before she acts, either vocally (saying she will take the Otterton case when she is already in hot water with her boss) or physically (Mr. Big, THE FUCKING TRAIN CART). She wears her heart on a sleeve; that isn't completely bad as you tend to know she is genuine, but she also doesn't seem to have a filter.
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>>8374844
Yeah, that is my favorite current webcomic.
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>>8375112
>I mean it is the guy who made "LOL SHE CHEATED ON HIM", broken grammar and the Nighthowler prank comic
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>>8375161
arethe 6bil demons humans?
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>>8374835
If I do this right, there should be plenty. Everyone is learning one way or another that the best of intentions and legal authority only get them so far - and that individuals all play their own part in keeping organizations and ideals on the right track.

>>8375070
can confirm, CEO is v. pissed
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>>8374883
Only one close I now is Dox Fick but that has surrogates so
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>>8375144
Comics are visual.
>half of the work
At most she's the inspiration, but claiming half of the work of a comic is writing is pretty offensive to artists.
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>>8375160
Yeah, I think people forget that Nick showed annoyance for all of three seconds before immediately coming up with ways to fuck with Judy. But he's the damaged character and Judy is perfect, so.
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So dear Anons. Some questions.
First: Do you have a Zoosona?
Second: If you have one, how did you create it?
Third: What kind of Zoosona is it?
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>>8375180
I don't think I follow...
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>>8375160
>Age swap AU is popular because it fixes everything that happens when people write the characters wrong
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>>8374932
>>8374956
Pic related for reference.

If this is anything more than an excuse to wank it up with FURRY OPERATORS I'm going to be very surprised.
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>>8375293
yes
there was a "post your zoosona waking up" i rolled and drew it
shallow as a picture
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>>8375293
yes
using image, but I forgot to grab the new one (new random link is:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/special:randomincategory/mammal_genera)
ocelot with similar interests and naming background
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>>8375309
THAT'S why I feel like they're OOC when I try this AU.

It all makes sense.
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>>8375293
Yes.
Random mammal wiki thing, then rolling with the random place or work/residence pic.
Dingo.
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>>8375293
1-yes
2-with the power of reason and will
3-the kind that is not real
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>>8375293
>Do you have a Zoosona?
Yup.
>If you have one how did you create it?
Rolled for it. He lives in Sahara Square but I got a free choice for where he works; so I decided that a big cat like him wouldn't really like the heat of Sahara Square that much and specifically chose a job that helps him avoid it, so I made him a bartender at Riverside, right next to the water, and he works through the hottest part of the day.
>What kind of Zoosona is it?
A jaguar.
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>>8375327
https://e621.net/post/show/1161638
This is gonna be the last fun panel in the whole story, isn't it
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>>8375308
So the title is "Kill 6 billbion demons"
But hte characters are demons
So maybe the deomns to them, are actually us, humans
We are their demons, and there are 6bil of them
So like maybe in Demon culture the key to paradise would be removing all the humans who hold them at bay, ergo kill 6bil demons
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>>8375285
>But he's the damaged character and Judy is perfect, so.

>The movie ends with the message that "everyone makes mistakes", coming from Judy herself.
>But nah, she doesn't make mistakes.
>Even the press conference wasn't her fault, she didn't mean to say those things.
>She also wasn't wrong to be profiling Nick on her first day
>Nick is the completely broken one
>Even when he knows right from wrong
>When he knows prejudice is bullshit
>Didn't have to help out the cop blackmailing him and taking a civilian into situations they had no right to be in
>Willing to call out Bogo and Judy on their crap
>Nick is also completely dependent on Judy, despite him willing to walk away not once, but twice

Am I forgetting anything?
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>>8375293
yes
i chose an animal i liked instead of rolling (don't tell anyone...)
an ordinary citizen of zootopia, trying to make their way through life
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>>8375293

Cougar electrical lineman living on Hill Street and working for Zootopia Power.
Rolled randomly back when the random Zoosona picture was spammed here encouraging folks to roll something up.
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>>8375327
I really, REALLY hope they are just fodder.

If they're given names and etc to look cool and the focus of the story I'm out.
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>>8375376

>https://e621.net/post/show/1161638

Dat bunny butt...
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>>8375251
Comics are storytelling, and its actually pretty difficult to tell a compelling story. The majority of comics everyone here considers good were drawn with or by people who write.
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>>8375383
r e a d
t h e
s t o r y

But no, it's about a seemingly normal girl who gets kidnapped and involved with an incredible world of scripture that mixes all religion into this eastern hodgepodge of artistic freedom.
It's like an Anon in _________ story but not autistic.
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>>8375293
Yep, rolled for it but I don't do anything with it since its just a lame bear.
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>>8375436
i don't care about the story anymore, i'm all in for that butt right now
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>>8375251
>Inspiration
Writers write the whole story, the dialogues in the comic and help on how a panel is constructed.
Saying they are merely inspiration is being offensive to writers, and I'm saying this as a drawfag
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>>8375051
Yep.
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>>8375447
Such as?
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>>8375383
It's a character's name.
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>>8375453
>just a lame bear
[Insert Navy Seals greentext edit]
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>>8375376
Nick effectively sleeping with a taser under his pillow seems... very out of character.

I know there's any number of more valid things to criticize about this, but the fact that it's there at all - and rendered so lovingly - suggests to me we can just expect more of the same. When the guns are the most detailed thing in the scene that's when I drop the story.
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>>8375453

>just a lame bear

Excuse me?!? Just a lame bear?
I don't think so!
I can think of something you can do with it...
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>>8375470
This. Drawfags of these threads are worthless without the writefags, hell if we had no writefags to actually make stuff the drawfags would just be posting their scribbles randomly. Btw I'm a drawfag.
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>>8375460

>i don't care about the story anymore, i'm all in for that butt right now

Tightly muscled firm little butts are patrician taste, my friend.
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>>8372055
>>8372584
I'm honoured that people think my art's good enough to merit collabing, although I'd rather practice a bit more before I commit to such things.

>>8375293
Rolled an anteater using that random animal generator.
He's a student at Zootopia University in Savannah Central, but I've totally neglected incorporating him in any Zootopia-related worldbuilding stuff as of late.
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>>8373906
>We can't have a fox who isn't interested in Judy/interested in other females/maybe just too burnt out on relationships.
Lets see if I can do a thing.

>Nick has lost all interest in romance, after being bitten far many times in the past. He has a career he loves, a friendship that he never thought possible with Judy, and he is respected now, and can do something GOOD in the world now.
>It didn't take him long to understand the types of looks Judy gave him though, whenever they were alone and on the job. The look of pure affection towards him is something Best Friends wouldn't give each other.
>He knows what's coming and doesn't know if he should be the one to let her down first or let her say it first.
>His indecision leads to Judy going first. Just another night of them hanging out in one of theirs apartment.
>She finally tells him that she likes him, possibly even loves him, and she wants nothing more to date him. To see where they can go.
>He lets her down as gently as he can. She's shocked, and saddened, possibly even tries and eek out a "real" reason for his refusal.
>There is enough reason's after all; family, work, public image, species.
>But he doesn't care about them, nor would he ever. He just doesn't see here romantically.
>She's sad, but understands. Lets it go. He can tell she wants to cry, but doesn't. He already knows that when she is alone in her apartment is where she will let tears fall.
>He doesn't stop her from going home early.
>Time passes, be it weeks or month's. It's rough at the start, Judy tries to act like nothing has changed. Nick does to. But he still shows her, that he is still there for her and that he will give her all the time see needs.
>She doesn't try and leap into the arms of another buck. She won't use someone to consul the hurt, she wanted it with Nick.
>She wanted to be happy with Nick, and only with him. She believes that only through romance can she really make him happy and be happy in return.

1/2
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>>8375541
(You)
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>>8375376
>>8375436
What the fuck is up with that last bunny on the left.
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>>8375523
Eh, the first thing I noticed was that their alarm clocks are the same color as each other, what with Judy having an orange clock with green lights and Nick having a grey clock with purple lights.
Also the weird android bunny plush. Possible portal reference?
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good morning thread
time to fire up the last batch of oil
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>>8375594
wait someone's greening right now weaver pls
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>>8375549
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>>8375569

Shit, that looks familiar...
I'd swear it's an homage to a web comic character, but I'll be damned if I can remember which one now.
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>>8375293
I asked this question because after one year those threads made me to this.
IM NOT A FURR...
Forget im totally a furry.
And i cried while i wrote this.
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>>8375523
>guns
>the most detailed thing in the scene
kek

>>8375470
yep, focusing on just drawing seems much better than trying to think most of the things that you should put in a comic. That's why i'm not starting a comic yet.
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>>8375606
I don't think he meant right this second
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>>8375611

Right back atcha Anon. I have a whole directory full. :)
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>>8375628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C4uTEEOJlM
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>>8375611
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>>8375693
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Whatever happened to Aggies? Last week there were a bunch of them.
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>>8375541
Nice to know that you lack argumentations so you have to have to do a strawman
>>8375636
It's half and half. Half drawing and half writing
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>>8375724
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>>8375751
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>>8375750
A Spammer/Troll happened
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>Lets see if I can do a thing.
You are indeed doing a thing, I want to read more of this. Just the right amount of bittersweet.
A side note, I am slightly amused at the idea of the "only through romance can someone be happy" but I have only had one relationship that lasted more than a year, so eh.

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>>8375759
Great
>>8375763
This one has always been offputting in some way
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>>8375750
We don't do Aggie canvases anymore.
Troll lurks the threads and duplicates layers till the site lags and crashes.
Pretty much anyone with half a brain knows to avoid them, so even if you made them nobody would join.
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>>8375293
yes
i rolled a meme mouse
shit sucks bro
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>>8375801
Aggies were one of my favorite things about these threads
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>>8375813

Embrace eternity, Anon.
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>>8375756
I have to econd that and to Agree
To make a great comic that is supposed to tell a great story it needs both, good writing and good drawing. Half and Half.

If the drawing is good but the writing bad people will stop reading the story because they become desinterested, it dosen't matter if because of too much gramatical errors or because the plot/choice of words is boring, people will stop reading it.

If the drawing is bad but the writing good it goes the same train, except that people are with the drawings more patinece that with the writing since most of them know that drawing is hard, So the Viewer will wait and see if the Art is coing to go better in the future.

To create a great Story you have to be a good Writer

To creat a great drawing you need to be a good Artists

To create a great Comic you need both this aspects.
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>>8374391
Fckn lol
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>>8375759
>>8375773
>>8375786
Do you always have to wear you gloves and...sock things? wash that shit
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>>8375888

I wasn't lying when I said I had a whole directory full.
I think I'll stop here, though. My, uh, hand is tired...
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>>8375309
Worn out doe takes advantage of young verile fox.
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>>8375848
and mine, as well. i've thought about posting one in the cc room in discord to see if the same end would result
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A bit late. But i did it. Finally.
I created my Zoosona.
He's a jackal (one re-roll).
He lives at Troop Street (no re-roll)
He works at Lionheart Ave.
And i rolled a random job ( i had to do it)
With my last re-roll i became a scientist...
Now im trash to. I can really feel it from the inside.
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>>8374740
Go ahead, anon.

You'll probably do it more justice than I could.
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>>8375569
better question: what the hell is wrong with Judy's torso?
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>Now im trash to. I can really feel it from the inside.

Welcome, Anon.
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>>8376029
A good zoosona. thus begins the tale of science jackal, who has to constantly live with mr. hyde jokes
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>>8375929
Would there be any point to share the link at all with the thread if all that would happen is someone crashes it?
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>>8376029
wow, those are big ears.

i wanna play with 'em
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>>8376030
I'm working on an aggressive cheetah lady fucking an antelope in the workspace right now. I'll get to it some time.
>>8376029
Always good to see more sonas!
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>>8376066
no, there wouldn't, which is why the link would have to stay in the cc room. if the trolling still occurred, that would reveal something rather interesting about the shitstirrer, i think
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>>8375773
source?
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Ok, finally back home.
Some minutes to set everything, then I will probably begin with requests. Should I do normal or lewd?
For me there is no difference

>>8372055
>>8372584
Oh, wow, I still consider myself on the lower end of the scale, it's strange to think people want a collab
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>>8375514
No idea what greentext you're talking about since the only bear that isn't lame is Sir Bearington and maybe PandAnon but he's not even a bear, he's a panda which is completely different.

>>8375524
Fuck that is a huge tongue but I stick by my statement!
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>>8375558

>One morning, she wakes up. The hurt and the oppressive feeling that is always there, what always makes her day so much worse every time she has to get up.
>It isn't there. It's just gone, and she can't explain it. Why it left her now. Her day starts with a hop in her step, where she used to drag her feet.
>She looks in the mirror just before she brushes her teeth, and the frown she is expecting, isn't there. An honest smile is on her muzzle now, no false bravado nor is it even fake anymore.
>Her eyes that had always had tear tracks once she awakes, are dry now. Her body feels light and ready to take on the world.
>She feels truly happy, the same joy she always felt, before she opened her mouth and told Nick everything. And when she lost it, when her world started to crash down around her.
>A smile showing clear self-derision, reflects on the mirror now. She has been such an idiot for so long.
>She finishes getting ready for work, and proudly pins her badge, right where it belongs. One last look at her reflection, a salute to herself, and she leaves her place.
>She arrives at her entrance and finds Nick standing there, coffee cup in each of his paws. She gives him a radiant smile and thanks him for it, as she takes hers from him.
>A wide-eyed look of disbelief shows for just a moment, before understanding and a sigh wipes it off of his face. She won't tell him that his poker face has been getting worse.
>They start to walk and talk, as they head to the subway station. Where conversations used to be disjointed, silent, or just awkward. Now it's filled with laughter, playful pushes, and they just can't stop talking.
>Just like it had always should have been.
>Yes, she had been an idiot. Even if she can't "have" him the way she wants him. The way she used to want him. It's different now.
>She needs to make it up to Nick, for putting up with her childish behavior for so long, once their day is done.
>She stops walking and gives him a hug, and he returns it.
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>>8376152

These threads, Anon. Someone's Blender model.
Google Image Search isn't giving me any love either.
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>>8376056
>>8376061
>"Hey Steve(Jackal), what got you so down lately?"
>"please dont, please dont!"
>Oh come on! Don't be such a "Jerk-ill!
>"Johnson(Co-worker), i have a jar of liquid night howler in my hand and im not afraid to spill and use it!"
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>>8376155
Indeed, we're still on the beginners scale, but collabs can be for fun! and you can learn a lot from other artist (writer or drawer)

Draw nick thinking about that awfully single otter.
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>>8375492
These events aren't as tacky as fundraisers where you'd have to pay per turn. Complimentary service is just their way of flaunting wealth to each other.
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>>8376155
>Oh, wow, I still consider myself on the lower end of the scale, it's strange to think people want a collab
you may think that, (and others may as well), but the fact remains you are one of the most prominent, (if not necessarily popular) ccs in the thread with your constant stream of requests and eagerness to improve
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>>8376316
It's funny that I made those two
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>>8376195
>Sir Bearington
>PandAnon
>Not Translator-Anon/Translation Bear

Y-you too
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>>8376251
Mmm... it's true.
But I have to finish some things before even thinking of such a big project

>>8376264
Oh, thanks!

Ok, I decided, lewd request, I need to do some anatomy. But I will take them in the next thread, I have a couple of things to do first
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>>8376358
Oh... translations are rad, I take it back. Translator bear is cool too.
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>>8376209
Fyi, this is done. Didn't have enough space for a "2/2" And didn't want to make a 3rd part with only 1 line of green.
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This is too funny and cute.
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>>8376244
>"Steve, what did you do?!"
>"I spilled Night Howler."
>"On your goddamn Co-worker? For a goddamn joke?"
>"To my defense, it was a terrible joke."
>"Be glad it was the unuseable Night Howler! You could get fired!"
>"I hoped it would be useable."
>"WHAT!"
>"Nothingbossgodbyeboss!"
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Anyone else concerned about Weaver?
He's just kind of disappeared, it's got me worried.
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>>8376408

God damn it, Anon, are you trying to summon it?!?
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>>8376408
Please do not invoke the weav!
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Whelp I took the plunge as well.
Rolled a Ram who lives in Sahara Square in Cactus Grove. Guess I'll be trimming that coat...
He works in Tundratown Floe Street? Guess I'll be needing a coat...
Rolled a job as well and ended up as a Mortician. Reckon he'd have a grim sense of humor.
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>>8376408
he's too busy finishing the comic, making three more comics, one porn comic featuring Betty, finishing the next chapter of Pack Street and starting a WildeHopps porn comic with Bellwether as a guest.

And figuring out how to ozzy, too.
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>>8376221
Oh anyway Thanks
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>>8376209
I could feel the bittersweet taste in my mouth.
Good job, anon, I really liked it
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>>8376457
Aww, autism is so adorable in it's early stages
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>>8376453
Ozzy bit the head off a bat in the nocturnal district.
Velvet is his parole officer.
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>>8376445
>mortician
inb4 he stuffs the corpses with his own wool
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>>8376420
>>8376440
I'll invoke whatever I please Anons.
You couldn't have saved them anyways.
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>>8376420
>Sacre Demin Ovirum
>Are vene Ahne
>Sacre Demin Ovirum
>Denus Daie
>Sarcre Demin Ovirus
>Weaverane appondere


>Palus
Aramus
>Centius
>Korediumus
>Setus
>Trandius
>Eridus
>Eridus
>Tranidamus

*Sacrifices a computer mouse and Paint Tool SAI*
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>>8376457
Falke had never written before?
Damn.
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>>8376445
>Mortician
>The horror on his face when he needs to prepare an elephant's funeral
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>>8376486
Post without rhythm. You won't attract the Weave.
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Fucking perfect.
A mortician ram with humor as black as his clothes and a jackal scientist who is done with everything.
That thread made scores.
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>>8376486

>*Sacrifices a computer mouse and Paint Tool SAI*

SHIIIIIIITTT
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>>8376474
From mortician to taxidermist... Well fuck we might have Zootopia's Most Wanted.
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>>8376209
This is the most frustrating fanfiction that I've read and yet enjoyed.
Good job you bittersweet nerd
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>>8376509
Some of the stiffs he prepares look better dead than they did alive.
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BY YOUR SUMMON
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>>8376575
oh no
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>>8376506
>>8376503

>Prints put copys of the following:
>Rubys Quest
>Nan Quest
>Dive Quest
>Boxdog
>Aganomad
>FNAF STUFF
>Zootopia Stuff
>etc.

>Draws a badly made pentagram in Paint and Prints it out

>Lays the other printed out items on Pentagram
>Light candles (have the smell "Angst and ridiculousness")
>take computer mouse
>take sacrifice knive
>Slowly taking out the little ball from the inside of the mouse
>Lay it in the center of the pentagram
>Say three times Weaver

He shall be avoken from his slumber
Prais him!
Prais the demon we all worship!
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>>8376575
What do you want?
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>>8376575
It worked!

Prais Weaver!
The god of destruction, angst and from time to time ridiculous but very deep plots!
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>>8376590
It's not what I want, anon

It's what you want
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>>8376575
Weaver! Is it true you've stopped writing about Calvin and Tristan entirely? And what about A Rabbit Clan's Fox? You haven't touched that in forever.
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>>8376575
Tiger Oil when
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>>8376575
Quick, get the Salt and the holy water!
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>>8376589
>Rolling mouse
look at this faggot with the 20th century computer hardware

what a silly man
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>>8376590
Well I just summoned you. I believe the other Anons want something.

I believe they want another Tiger Oil page.
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>>8375558
>>8376209
Once again, just the right amount of bittersweet, ending on the good note that they will always be good partners and friends, without bringing in a third party or drama.
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>>8376467
Ozzy raped Al at a construction site
Velvet is his lawyer
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>>8376606
Well, it's not that.
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>>8376575
he is here, god save us
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>>8376606
I'm not going to post all 6 pages again

so here they all are compiled into one image

>>8376615
>Tiger Oil when
now
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>>8376575
What have I done!?
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>>8376679
You fool, you've doomed us all!
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>>8376466
Wait, is this taking the piss out of a real webcomic or something?
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>>8376675
the ritual was successful
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>>8376652
Please direct all questions to my attorney.
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>>8376606
For once, can we have it as we simply want your company?
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>>8376679
Whyyyyy?
You have done nothing but make everything worse.
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>>8376679
Well what have WE done, it seems my pseudo latin pray was more or less succesfull.
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>>8376675
You have done well to please the son of a shepherd.
I will not forget this.
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>>8376698
You sweet, innocent child. How lucky you are to not know Goblins.
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>>8376675
How happy life could be

If all of mankind

Would take the time to journey to the center of the mind
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>>8376743
A long range scoped camera, they'll be on ramtube in no time.
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>>8376743
You MOTHERFUCKER.
COULDN'T JUST LET US HAVE THIS ONE COULD YOU?
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>>8376743
Man, security cameras look weird these days.
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>>8376743
AW SON OF A BITCH
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>>8376743
Knew it.

Weaver, you troll, you...
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cute/10

>>8376743
ABORT ABORT

OH MY FUGCKKC-
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>>8375309
>>8375926
>Experienced doe rocks a young, verile fox's world.
>And their bed.
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>>8376743
You brilliant wanker!
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>>8376627
When I took a computer maintenance course 15 years ago, they had a storage room full of outdated computer shit. During the course we started going through it all and throwing away all the nonfunction and outdated shit. I collected all the old mouse balls for no reason. Still have that small box full of dozens of mouse balls.

End of anecdote.
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>>8376741
So who's the bigger group of assholes in this?

The humans or the goblins?
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>>8376743
the summoning was successful
BUT AT WHAT COST?
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>>8376743
FUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKK!
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>>8376743
fuck
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>>8376743
Well, at least Porn Street Avo won't have to worry about Remmy acting like a little brat whenever she finally gets back to working.
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>>8376743
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>>8376743
no...
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>>8376795
Everyone is awful in Goblins.
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I DID NOT WANT THIS!
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>>8376743
Remmy would probably like that
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>>8376788
The Millennium Puzzle?
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>>8376798
Now we discover if 9 1/2 inches is enough to tame a wild beast..
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>>8376743
Ah a Alternative Universe what a nice and interestening Idea

>In real I'm screaming in the Inside with demonic voices
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FUCKING RIP

LITERALLY
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>>8376743
Is that a tiny question mark I see on the jar, or am I tripping?
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>>8376743
He played us like a damn fiddle!
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>>8376798
Truly what have I done!
God I can't live with what my summoning brought
>Jumps out of ground floor
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NEW THREAD

>>8376866

>>8376866

>>8376866
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>Remmy mauled to death
>Pack Street ends
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>>8376743
>Doug hits Remmy by mistake
>The only result is Remmy goes savage on that pussy (in a metaphorical sense)
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>>8376480
You caused this. You know what has to happen next.
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>>8376895
A cure for nighthowler is found, hot tiger dickings.
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>>8376912
Father forgive me that I've sinned...
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>>8376943
>Tiger
>Pandora is a female
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>>8376858
>Is that a tiny question mark I see on the jar, or am I tripping?
It's a drop of blood/medicine dripping from the rim.
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>>8376951
>Forgive me that I've sinned
>Forgive me for I've sinned
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>>8376962
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>>8376989
Woah did CA come back or did nobbo edit this himself?
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>>8374817
What is this from? It made me laugh so hard I pood a little.
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>>8376743
Uh, thanks?
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>>8375871
>a (You) from the artist
makes it all worth it
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>>8376743
Trolling your readers is not the kind of writing that brings honor, weaver senpai.
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>>8372038
Heaven forbid that evolved mammals should still look, or retain any non human attributes!
I'm in total agreance with the concept of eight nippled rabbits still having eight nippled.
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>>8372198
I could see a writer struggling to be an artist, but I accepted it for quite a while, but agree it ran off the rails eventually.
The assistance by other artist was admirable, but...
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>>8377743
>I'm in total agreance with the concept of eight nippled rabbits still having eight nipples
I am too
When the source material doesn't contradict this
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>>8373054
Because everyone has to start somewhere.



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