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So, Anons.So with the whole COVID lockdown and other stuff that's been going on, I've been reading a lot of Zootopia fanfiction lately.Like, a LOT.Don't judge.So first I started bookmarking the ones I really liked, so I'd remember them.Then I started bookmarking the ones I didn't, so I wouldn't accidentally read them again.Seperated them into folders so I could keep track of which was which.This led to me taking notes in the various bookmarks with my reasons why I liked or didn't like a fic, so I wouldn't forget.Then I realized that I really should organize this shit better, so I started compiling it all together.So those various bookmarks and notes turned into full-on fan fiction reviews, and I realized that I was sitting on quite a few of them.And I know other Anons read fanfic...So here's my compilation of honest Zootopia fan fiction reviews.And maybe this terrible thing I've done to myself can help some of you.
>>31831031Guardian Blue (series) by Alps_Sarsishttps://archiveofourown.org/series/678305Verdict: My favorite set of Zootopia fan fics to date. Highly, HIGHLY recommended.Multiple stories and entire story seasons follow the adventures of Nick and Judy after the events of the movie. Well-written, often funny, and featuring moments of brilliant triumph contrasted with amazing drama and emotions. A true inspiration in the fandom.Note: AO3 lists the stories somewhat out of order - the first ones are all fine, and should be read in the order in which they appear, but later on, Season 3 should actually be read last, after Sheepless in New Reynard.Unfinished but actively ongoing, and more than enough completed story arcs to make for great reading.
>>31831049Guardian Blue - After Dark by Alps_Sarsishttps://archiveofourown.org/series/951816Verdict: Actually pretty great, for all that it's porn. Just as well-written as Guardian Blue.These are the adult stories taking place in the Guardian Blue universe. Recommended reading after Guardian Blue.Part 1, Taboo, explores Nick and Judy's first time after they enter into a relationship, and Part 2, Gratitude, explores Jack and Skye's first time, which takes place after the events of Guardian Blue: Season 1.
>>31831064Sleepless Nights, by BearlyThereUpstairshttps://archiveofourown.org/works/13286955Verdict: Tricks you into thinking it's good, then crushes all your hopes and dreams.It's not obvious at first, but the world is a nightmarish, dystopian hell version of Zootopia, where open anti-predator bigotry is practiced. It's so bad that predators are regularly denied medical care, simply left bleeding out in the E.R. or otherwise not treated. Doctors will literally just let predator patients die rather than give them treatment. All positions of power and authority are held by prey species, and abuse runs rampant - even the top-ranking staff member of the ZPD Academy torments, abuses, and exploits predator cadets.This has given Nick severe PTSD and more issues than National Geographic, resulting in one of the most neurotic versions of the character I've ever seen.Oh, and open cooperation between the ZPD and the mob, courtesy of an arrangement called the Truce, results in Bogo being Mr. Big's bitch.
First pic, Traveon
>>31831081Wine Coolers, by Done_In_5https://archiveofourown.org/works/6791152Verdict: A good, mature fic in which the characters admit their feelings and communicate like actual adults.Mutual respect, consent, and open communication is the order of the day for this short, easy fic. No unnecessary drama or confusion, no endless angst, just simple WildeHopps. And although Nick is still a bit unsure of himself, Judy doesn't allow that shit to fly.Unfortunately this is the author's only Zootopian work - I'd like to see more by them.
>>31831099A Better Life, by HerAld_90https://archiveofourown.org/works/7028632Verdict: Another "let's abuse the hell out of Nick and Judy" fic, with Platonic Life Partnership thrown in just for good measure.A serial killer from 30-odd years ago makes a reappearance in Zootopia, specifically just to fuck with Nick, because that's good for some lulz. Fellow officers in the ZPD turn violently corrupt because reasons (there's some hand-wavy "explanation" about larger predators being upset about the Mammal Inclusion Initiative, but honestly, it really doesn't hold water), injuring Nick and Judy so badly that they retire from the ZPD (Nick is outright maimed).
>>31831120Winter Snuggles 1: Cuddles and Comfort, by Boney_Mhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/6933031andWinter Snuggles 2: Desire and Dependence, also by Boney_Mhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/7626403Verdict: The fluffiest WildeHopps fics on the internet.This is the gold standard of fluff that all other fluff fics aspire to. Young up-and-coming fluff fics dream of being this fluffy when they grow up, teenage fluff fics angst and blog post over not being as fluffy as these, and older fluff fics gossip and reminisce over drinks about how fluffy these fics were.
Which CCs are into cub and where can I contact them for commissions?
>>31831134Finding Our Way (series) by Falkehttps://archiveofourown.org/series/476992Verdict: This whole series is fic junk food - empty calories, not particularly great, but not bad enough to stop idly munching on.Two main things are explored in this series: Nick and Judy's PTSD, nightmares, and panic attacks, and a disgruntled ex-energy employee turned psuedo-terrorist. The pair struggle to stop a series of escalating attacks masterminded by the ex-employee, while dealing with their own stress and trauma-induced issues along the way.
>>31831150Apologies by Erasmusmaushttps://archiveofourown.org/works/7171787Verdict: Not terrible. Stumbles in a few places, but overall worth reading.An AU in which Nick goes looking for Judy after the press conference. The author changes things around so the events of the movie - the discovery that it's Nighthowlers making mammals go savage, Judy's return to Zootopia with Nick, Bellwether's arrest - all still happen, but differently. It's all fairly plausible and the writing's not bad, but it is unfinished and on hiatus since May 2017.This fic also uses the idea of something called The Call - an involuntary yell that someone makes when they find their soulmate. This idea was originally put forward during a worldbuilding session in /ZTG/ on 4chan, and it's interesting to see it explored a little here.
>>31831165Eight Years Apart by chaucer345https://archiveofourown.org/works/19767583Verdict: I liked this a lot more than I expected to - shows a great deal of potential.Nick and Judy get sent back into time by a kitsune and given the chance to re-do their early lives - to alter history, save lives, and change outcomes. But they quickly discover that tampering with the past comes with a price...Note: Although I liked this much more than expected, the author has 5 other works on AO3, all unfinished, and all on hiatus. This does not bode well for them ever finishing this one - or any of them, really, as they show a strong tendency to bounce distractedly from topic to topic.
>>31831180Judy and Nick's Tales by sirtalenhttps://archiveofourown.org/series/698916Verdict: Not too bad at all.It starts out making you think it's just another "partner injured in the line of duty" fic series, then goes in a bit of a different direction by focusing heavily on the recovery and healing - both physical and emotional - rather than on the injury, angst, or emotional turmoil following a serious injury. The pair supports one another as they pick up the pieces and get back to their lives, and although they do stumble along the way, it's completely realistic, well-handled, and the pair doesn't fall - they just stumble, help one another steady on, and get back to it.Pretty uplifting, when it's all said and done.Second part is the best, IMO - the first part simply sets it up.
>>31831195The Days That Followed by Selaxeshttps://archiveofourown.org/series/919083Verdict: Pretty much WildeHopps fluff, but it's pretty good fluff, honestly.Okay, that's not quite true. The first part of the series is solid fluff, sure, but the second and then the third move steadily into more serious, deeper waters. The shift was gradual enough - like easing into a hot bath - that I didn't mind the difference in tone between the first and the later works.It's worth mentioning that Selaxes has done a number of other good Zootopia works, like Birthright(https://archiveofourown.org/works/13186110) which although it went on hiatus and then finally came back and finished with a rushed ending, was actually quite good, overall. Selaxes is generally a good writer.
>>31831207Foxhollow by Helthehatterhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/7915792Verdict: About average for Zootopia fanfic. Not great, not terrible.A medieval AU in which Nick is a king and Judy is taken as his ward. Characters are "borrowed" from other Disney works as well, resulting in a somewhat off-putting mish-mash of characters and setting. Also, although it's marked as complete, the ending really just...sputters out instead of reaching a finale.The whole thing's just kind of... mediocre, in storytelling as well as writing.
>>31831215The Prey Master by DerekSkyshadowhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/7960942Verdict: Into the trash it goes.Bad writing with poor word choices, terrible grammar, misplaced punctuation, and misspellings for days. Drifts into near-gibberish and Engrish from time to time - ESL author, maybe?
>>31831225Chronicles of Zootopia by Lavernehttps://archiveofourown.org/series/486182Verdict: Pass on this series.All the works in this series suffer the same couple of problems - an author who struggles with professional English and who couldn't be bothered to pay close attention to the source material (Or remain faithful to it, anyway). I'd say they were flighty and easily distracted, but there's 241,000 words here. ADHD perhaps? It does have that sloppy, almost frantic feel to it.
>>31831031Nothing to contribute but please keep going, I need more recommendations
>>31831248Oh, I'm just getting started. Like I said, I've been reading a LOT of fanfic.>>3183123910-97 by Samur_Umlalhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/6854437Verdict: Better than it seems, somehow?Well written, but dark. Brutal violence, terrible prejudice, open specism, intimidation, fear and hatred are all out on open display. The saving grace is that somehow, it manages this without being edgy, coming across as more gritty and almost noire. It's still recognizably Zootopia, not Zoodystopia - it's just a bit uglier, with scars and a rough voice from chain-smoking.
>>31831207Birthright was really, really bad, though. Teaming up with Sophie was a pretty goddamn terrible move.
>>31831262The Fire Triangle by MercMartenhttps://archiveofourown.org/series/831267orhttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/12665692/1/The-Fire-Triangle-Prologue-Escape-From-Zoo-YorkVerdict: Good, but enormously complex in a way that defies simple categorization.A massive, sprawling Zootopia fanfiction epic (687,000 words and counting). Well-written, with great character interaction, it takes a more serious approach to the Zootopia universe. A bit darker than canon, with the specisim dialed up to eleven, this fic dances on the edge of dystopian grimdark without ever quite tipping over all the way.
>>31831271Hey, feel free to do your own reviews, eh? These are my opinions - nothing more, nothing less. Nothing is objectively "good" or "bad" - it's all subjective.>>31831285The Fire Triangle by MercMartenhttps://archiveofourown.org/series/831267orhttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/12665692/1/The-Fire-Triangle-Prologue-Escape-From-Zoo-YorkVerdict: Good, but enormously complex in a way that defies simple categorization.A massive, sprawling Zootopia fanfiction epic (687,000 words and counting). Well-written, with great character interaction, it takes a more serious approach to the Zootopia universe. A bit darker than canon, with the specisim dialed up to eleven, this fic dances on the edge of dystopian grimdark without ever quite tipping over all the way.
>>31831299The Three Rules for Foxes by she_dies_at_the_endhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/23827309Verdict: Not bad, although it kind of doesn't really GO anywhere.A medieval/fantasy AU in which Nick is fae, an immortal being of myth, legend, and Old Magic, and Judy is the farmer's daughter who befriends him.
>>31831325The Many Adventures of St. Zoo High by Helthehatterhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/7994989Verdict: I can't believe I read enough of this to review it. I feel so dirty...A High School AU (ugh!) in which the author squashes a bunch of the character's ages closer together so they can all go to the same school, because drama. A teen-oriented story written by a teen, for teen readers, featuring pretty much the whole cast from the movie as teens, as well as the author's angsty self-insert teen character (whom teen Gazelle falls madly in love with, of course).The quality of writing is exactly what you'd expect given the age demographic, and the entire plot revolves around the various character's love lives / love interests and the various problems therein, making the whole thing just as teeth-clenchingly uncomfortable as you'd expect.
>>31831349Shadowbun: Transformations by Boney_Mhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/7749013Verdict: Short and a little rushed, but all in all, not too bad.Shadowrun crossed with Zootopia. Judy is a corporate cop, unappreciated and overlooked, who contacts an illegal street doc (Nick) looking for an edge over her corporate colleagues to gain recognition and respect.Reads like a single Shadowrun game session: self-contained and complete, though a bit compressed. And at just over 14,000 words, it's easy to get through in a single sitting.
>>31831375Take A Stand by Crewefoxhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/14737146Verdict: Ehhhhhh, combined with that so-so hand waggle.Comes up a little short of being outright bad, but it's a Disney-cameo-heavy crossover between Zootopia and Robin Hood that I just really couldn't get into all that much. (The fanart mixed throughout is pretty good, though). It comes across as a bit trite and contrived, and pretty much goes right down the checklist of Zootopia fanfiction tropes from Shitposts, and that reminds me - I haven't reviewed that yet!
>>31831299Nah Birthright is pretty objectively bad
>>31831389Zootopia: The Shitposts by Lothar_Hexhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/11046789Verdict: Perfect. Absolutely perfect.It's the Portal of Zootopia fan fiction. Written for experienced (jaded) readers of Zootopia fanfic, this meta-fic hilariously disassembles the entire genre, taking the absolute piss out of the common tropes (over)used in the fandom. A delightful afternoon read and a great change of pace from all the usual, loaded with sharp humor, lampshade hangings, callouts, and great turns of phrase.
Do you think Jenny slate ever RPs as a prey when white guys fuck her?
>>31831410 (part 1)Take A Stand (series) by Garouge-FauxPart 1 - Take A Stand: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12105029/1/Take-A-StandPart 2 - Star Of Ceartais: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12439999/1/Take-A-Stand-Star-Of-CeartaisPart 3 - The Broken Mirror: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12973009/1/Take-A-Stand-The-Broken-MirrorVerdict: I could only make it to Chapter 12 of Part 2 before I gave up, but your milage may vary.A crossover between Zootopia and Robin Hood, in a world with with super powers. If you're rolling your eyes at this point, I'm right there with you. The author's youth, inexperience, and insecurity makes itself _clearly_ known all throughout their writing.
>>31831410 (part 2)Part 1: Nick's mom is the founder of the Maid Marian Gang, a group of Zootopian vigilantes who take down criminals during a period of civil unrest in Zootopia over interspecies couples, then give the money to the poor. (Nick's dad is The Hood, and someone's OC bear character is Little John.) Nick finds out he has a daughter thanks to her mom tracking Nick down because she's dying, so Nick and Judy agree to adopt the kit. In the meantime, the crisis in Zootopia over inter couples reaches a head, causing the pair (as an inter couple themselves) to take a stand against the hate, hence this part's title. Their decision splits Zootopia and Judy's family apart, and Judy becomes pregnant with Nick's magical hybrid baby.Part 2: An earthquake and tsunami strike Zootopia, pretty well wrecking it's shit. Magical Hybrid Baby and her new girlfriend are nearly killed, only to be saved by an experimental medical treatment given to them by a doctor friend who is also Iron Man (Woman). They develop superpowers because Nanomachines, son! and it was shortly after this point that I decided I was done. Oh, and Nick is a massive raging asshole now, because reasons? He's so far out of line on multiple occasions that there's no possible way he'd still have a job with the ZPD, but the Bogo in this universe is too much of a pussy to fire him.Part 3: Go for it, and good luck. I couldn't make it this far.
>>31831484The Mistress by MysteryGirl22https://archiveofourown.org/works/11887626Verdict: Toxic waste. This fic needs to be sealed in a leak-proof container and stored in a safe disposal site so future generations won't be contaminated.Nick's exes start turning up murdered and mutilated with messages for Nick left at the scenes, but the obvious conflict of interest doesn't get him taken off the case because someone hacks Bogo's intercom (eyeroll) and tells Bogo to keep Nick on the case or Bad Things will happen. Judy starts acting wierd after giving birth to her and Nick's kit (because this fic needed Magical Hybrid Baby on top of everything else), and speciest cops openly mock, belittle, harass, and even injure Nick (who is a sergeant and detective at this point).The author's complete ignorance of the most basic police procedures as well as simple common sense are placed on vivid display as:1: No one investigates how Bogo's intercom was hacked, or how someone spoke through it from outside the precinct.2: No one places a Tap & Trace on Nick's phone, despite the murderer calling him constantly to gloat. Yes, everyone knows about this. No, no one even suggests it, or anything like it.3: No one calls the police on a mammal that collects the skins and furs of other mammals, because that's icky and we don't talk about that.4: No one knows what's wrong with Judy after the pregnancy and birth, and the author painfully drags this out over multiple chapters before it's eventually revealed via a friend of a friend of someone's second cousin twice removed who heard from a source about this rare, exotic, and shameful condition called Postpartum Depression, and has anyone looked into that, maybe?I could go on and on, making this list of glaring deficiencies more than twice as long, but why bother? I'm not going to give this fic any more of my time and neither should you.
>>31831512That's it for now. Didn't take as long to post them as I thought it would.
>>31831535Hey man I dug it a lot
>>31831400Tell me why you thought it was bad. I'm interested in hearing your opinion.>>31831535This was a great set of reviews, both thoughtful and insightful. I'm gonna give some of these a read.
>>31831535Thanks for the list. I know it's fanfic and I need to lower my standards but I just can't tolerate anything unless it's well written. Like technically proficient, adverbs under control and all that. Any of these stand out in that regard?
>>31831591>>31831690Cool. These are all just my opinions, originally done just to organize my thoughts. I hope it helps some of you out there make better informed fic decisions, maybe read a fic you wouldn't have otherwise or skip one you can tell you wouldn't like.>>31831708Bear in mind, these are _all_ written by amateurs and it shows. That being said, I found both Guardian Blue and Fire Triangle well-written, with Fire Triangle seeming a little bit more polished and professional of the two.But I thought Guardian Blue was a better _story_.Again, my opinions. Take 'em for what they're worth.Also, why am I suddenly having to solve like, fifteen fucking capchas to post?!? God damn.
>>31831807Too much long posts, get in an argument with someone and you'll know pain.
>>31831207While I don’t think Birthright was particularly bad, I don’t think it was that good either. Mostly average, Nick didn’t feel like his usual smart mouth self (which I consider to be a key trait), The later half felt rushed and the plot never felt consistent. It goes from magical college to taboo romance to save the world without much transition.
>>31830969Judy looks a bit cub-like in this. And I'm OK with that.
>>31831987Reins you in if you get too wordy, eh? Fuckers.God forbid I should post some text instead of shitty memes and reaction images.
>>31831690To start off with, Judy never really faces any obstacles... or even does anything actively on her own, for that matter. She's the most passive character in the story which is ridiculous considering it's Judy Hopps. She goes to magic college, and it turns out she's a prodigy, but no one challenges her for being a rabbit or anything. She's offered an apprenticeship she didn't ask for because she's a prodigy, she discovers how to use the ultimate ward because she's almost-raped and not because she strove for it, Skye just kind of likes Judy and wants her to fuck Nick right off the bat, the story is full of this, especially at the trial of Judy's magical self-defense killing where they just sort of immediately unload overwhelming evidence against the dead guy and his big powerful family does fuckall except seethe about it.Weird fucking about-faces, character-wise. Judy dumps her boyfriend because he cheats on her I think because she won't sleep with him, then the very first thing she does is call Sharla over for casual friendship lesbian sex.It fails pretty hard to establish what kind of era the story is in until they have to explicitly state that Nick is driving a car powered by a fire elemental or something, which is around 7 or more chapters in if I remember right. I'm probably not, it's been quite some time.Sophie and Selaxes pretty much forget to write Nick and Judy falling in love, so they just sort of fall in love for no reason and only then really begin to learn even the first thing about one another. Apparently this is later handwaved as them being soulmates or something; I dropped the story before that happened, it was so boring I couldn't even continue reading to criticize it. This part doesn't surprise me considering how much Sophie hates Nick and won't write him anymore.In the end there was just basically nothing happening for any good reason and it became one of the few stories I've ever dropped out of sheer boredom and disinterest.
>>31831049>>31831064I really loved reading through the first two seasons + accompanying side stories of GB. As you said, it's really impressive just how engaging of a story Sarsis manages to make it, even if his prose isn't incredible-- but I can forgive that entirely for the fact that he's just an amateur writer like the rest of us. At risk of overselling the thing, it might just be my all-time favorite fanfic across any piece of media I've been involved with.I also had the pleasure of speaking to Sarsis once by happenstance, and he says that he has GB planned out for at least six or seven seasons total. Very much looking forward to seeing how it develops over the course of that.
>tfw only long fic i read was partners and i dont even finish it
>>31832045Well, I'm gonna give that one a pass. Thanks for sharing. I'm glad to know what was up with that fic.
>>31832133This footage from Sleazy's house?
>>31832045>Sophie and Selaxes pretty much forget to write Nick and Judy falling in love, so they just sort of fall in love for no reason and only then really begin to learn even the first thing about one another. Apparently this is later handwaved as them being soulmates or somethingYeah, there was this semi-time-travely, reincarnation, fate-ties-them-together kind of thing going on. The whole end, I dunno, quarter? Third? of this fic was the weakest part. It felt really rushed, just slapped together real quick.Personally, I felt that the beginning half or more had some fun character-driven storytelling, but upon looking back, this Anon's right about the lack of real obstacles for Judy and the weird double-standard.And lesbian sex is hot, so that doesn't count.
>>31832174Yes. Now stop watching me taking a bath or at least pay me, It's not a free show so c'mon, give that wallet now.
>>31832084>his prose isn't incredibleI have a little (fucking enormous) side-project going on where I'm editing Guardian Blue to clean up the writing because I love the fic so much.It's just that there's so goddamn much of it, and there's quite a few corrections to be made, honestly...
>>31832210I didn't know Sleazy also "adopted" Duke Weaselton
>>31832287Very kind of you, but flattery won't get you anywhere with me. Now come on and drop the wallet, and your chips.
>>31832287All tubes belong to the yeen now
>>31832045>>31832178If I remember correctly, the last third of the story was written just around the same time Sophie went on that rant how she hated Nick, thought the Zootopia fandom was actually the "Nick Wilde Fandom" where he could do whatever he wanted and not get punished or something, won't ever write him after Birthright, etc. So I assume the rushed parts was them wanting to wash their hands of it.
>>31831535Your autism is great. Now put it all into a pastebin and keep it updated
>>31831708At the risk of jerking off thread CCs specifically, I find Boney (rip) and Falke are both good about this. >>31831150Calls it junk food, but I see a writer who knows how to cook a story down to what it needs, and nothing more, while still packing in a lot of world building flavor. That puts it way ahead of fire triangle or GB for me. Those stories are in just dire need of editing. I wish >>31832230 luck cause he's gonna need it.
>>31831138Most of our CCs that are or were into that either aren't anymore or don't take commissions.Alec does commissions, but had a falling out with someone and doesn't do cub anymore, not sure if the falling out was with someone IN the cub community or someone against cub stuff found out about it and confronted him.Closest thing I can think of that Weaver's drawn is a soft core /ss/ tease back in his MLP days where Applejack goes into heat and seduces Spike, but I don't think he's drawn anything explicit or recent regarding that fetish theme. Also does not do commissions last I checked.I don't think Nemo does commissions even though he's an amazing artist and totally should.I feel like NAH has been dropping hints that he's into it with all the kidnapping and rape vibes he's been putting out with some of his drawings that involve kids, but it's unconfirmed and I don't think he does commissions either.Visiti might.As for writefags, you have...Armasyll, and I think there was someone who wrote some ageplay stuff involving Finnick.
I think it's great the different perspectives, opinions, and advice this thread has brought out. What a comfy way to start a Friday.Catch you Anons later - I've got some fanfic to read.
So who thinks we should send these reviews to the authors, like MysteryGirl22 and DerekSkyshadow?
>>31832165He do be lookin like a snack tho
>>31831462I always wondered how it was since one artist drew a lot of it
>>31831031Hey man, same here.>>31831049Great pick, same here although since its not done its hard to say.>>31831099Never read, might pick up, thanks.>>31831120Read a few chapters of this and stopped I think, guess I was right in doing so.>>31831134Ah yes, love this one.>>31831150I liked it through to the last arc. It just dragged on with Claremont or whatever her name was, dont think I finished it.>>31831165Seems interesting, but I have a hard time starting fics that dont end.>>31831180>>31831195>>31831207>>31831215>>31831285Will look into.>>31831389Haha, this old classic, the first one I ever read.Im thankful it got me started, but looking back, and especially looking on to the newer installements of Marvel tie ins, makes me cringe.>>31831410Now this sounds like its for me.>>31831484Yeah now Worth it.>>31831512Ouch, thanks for letting me avoid it.
>>31831031By the way, are you looking for recommendations or are you set with enough fics on your list already?Just that I dont see some of my favorites reviewed yet.
>>31832014the artist seems to draw a lot of that
>>31832682Thank you for telling me who the scum is
>>31833150but who is skub?
>>31832991I'll always take recommendations, but I have quite a few fics bookmarked that I've not reviewed yet, so your favorites may yet appear. Some of the upcoming reviews may be of:A Mountain I'm Willing To Die OnA Rabbit Clan's FoxA Ray Of HopeAddictionAnd All That JazzBarbed Wire DreamsBurrowEarning The BadgeEntr'acteFirewatchGhosts and Faded DreamsHereafterIt Takes ThreeLost Causes and Broken DreamsOf Salt And SteelThe Partners seriesRed Tails and Wilde SkiesSafe PawsSandcastlesThe Fox and the RabbitThe Thin Blue LineWater Under The Bridgeand more! I won't speak to any kind of schedule or timeline - who knows how long this will take me or if I'll even finish - but those are some of the ones I'm going to be plugging away at moving forward.
Hey! This list reminds me...Anon from >>31831708Are you still here?
This film turned me into a furry. Can I unironically sue Disney? You don't put hips like that on a cartoon rabbit without knowing what you're doing.
>>31833648I never leave, really.
>>31833779Bruh did you see the way they made Gazelle swing her hips? They fucking know what they're doing
>>31833779>>31833824They had to lock down a fresh generation, the Robin hood crowd is getting old
>>31833454Is see some good stuff here, and some meh, but I havnt read them all.The only one I really feel is missing would be Orouborus The Endless Cycle by WANMWADThey also made And All That Jazz which is on the list.Its definetly a long one at 70 chapters or so, but it seems you arnt too discouraged by leangth, at least if its good, which I think it is. Only second to Guardian Blue.I will warn you though, because it has a bit of a rushed ending, just thought Id let you know since it is really long.
>ywn hug Judy as she comes home limping with a sprained ankle after a whole day of catching bad guys then wrap it up and spend all night kissing it better K I L L M E
>>31833976Oh, all of WANMWADs stuff is good by the way, except only if youre not too into the Sherlock stuff.
>>31833779I still think they're being pussies for not adding boobs. I'm not saying she should have huge watermelons, but the rack that Byron originally gave her, was fine. >>31833824And we have Shakira to thank for that. She was the one pushing them for more curves.
>>31833150Now that you know, what will you do?
>>31833808I think you'll like Lost Causes and Broken Dreams by eng050599https://archiveofourown.org/works/7939489
>>31833454>>31833648>>31833808Surprise bonus fic review!Lost Causes and Broken Dreams by eng050599https://archiveofourown.org/works/7939489Verdict: Well-written, technically accurate, scientifically grounded, and very, very powerful.Follow along with the doctors and staff of the Honeywell Genetic Counselling Centre in Zootopia as they struggle to make the impossible happen - the live, healthy offspring of parents of different species who cannot normally interbreed. Interspecies couples dream of one day having their own children, and that is the entire purpose of the Centre - but nature is a harsh mistress where incompatable genetics are concerned.
>>31834575Ohh, sounds fun, but probably also very tragic considering its Scientifically Grounded and about hybrids, doesnt bode well.
>
Nick, but he has a babby face(I don't know why I drew this)
>>31834754This is how I'd imagine Meatcanyon to cover zootopia
>>31833215Everyone should be pro-skubNothing better than skub
>>31834623It's what happens when an actual, practicing, real-world scientist in the fields of Molecular Biology, Biochemistry and Genomics takes on the idea of Magical Hybrid Baby in Zootopia.If you want something professionally written, this guy writes for scientific journal articles and textbooks IRL - which is just about the best possible qualification you're going to find in fan fiction.
>>31834982>Everyone should be pro-skubAnd you try to say mongooses aren't evil...
>rightoid 4cuckers eating this corporatist state copaganda
>>31834631Begone, THOT
>>31835210she's so cute
>>31835230anon that's Nick
>>31835239wut
>>31835278that >>31835210 is Nick
>>31835289you're telling me this is nick?
>>31835366no that's Maid Marian.
>>31833824>Bruh did you see the way they made Gazelle swing her hips? They fucking know what they're doingNick had me convinced
>>31835380Anon, I'm going to blow your mind...Have you ever seen Nick and her in the same room?
>>31835366>>31835380This is Nick, tho
>>31835380i give up
>>31833779Oh, they knew good and goddamn well exactly what they were doing.
>>31833779
>>31835135I don't want to tear it down too much, but there's a difference between thoroughly technical writing, and making a piece of fiction engaging. This is closer to former. Not a bad thing, but I'm finding it distracting.
>>31833779>>31835446
>>31833454One recommendation I'll make is a recent fic.Foxes in the burrow by Exewonhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/24488953/chapters/59110171Warning that it is not WildeHopps; hell, I don't think Judy will show up at all since Nick is 14 and this is a Nick/OC Female fic.Nick's mom essentially has them move to Bunnyburrow, both because it is cheaper to live there and to keep Nick away from trouble and hustling. The neighbor across from them is a family of tigers who have a daughter Nick's age named Freya. So far it is a entertaining fic; Nick is a smartass who hasn't completely given into cynicism, the OCs aren't annoying, and there is some building towards overarching character issues they have to deal with.
>>31835517Fan fiction just may not be your thing, Anon, and that's okay. It's not for everyone.You want good story, something like Guardian Blue.You want professional writing, something like Lost Causes and Broken Dreams.There really isn't any perfect middle ground. You won't find anything written to professional, published quality in fan fiction - anyone who writes at that level is writing published works, not fan fiction.I think you really do need to lower your standards - or else just accept that fan fiction's not for you.
>>31835659I know :(I resigned myself to enjoying the sturgeon's-law-of-the-sturgeon's-law of fanfics a long time ago.
This has been really cool - I wasn't expecting to knock out another review off the cuff when I posted these, and the discussion's been amazing.Awesome to see folks found 'em useful.Got stuff to do, so I'll check back in with you all later!
>>31835659damn, that comment destroyed you
>>31835602Sounds like there are so many levels of disconnect with Nick, that it might as well be an OC?
>>31835873Same, it was nice to add stuff to my list as well, but I cant say when Ill be reading it all, currently going through Guardian Blue a second time,Just a quick note, its really cool how Alp forshadows characters and events so well, I had completely forgot about the Coyote they arrested in Part 1, they actually name drop the Hyena girlfriend of his that shows up and wrecks the ZPD in part 3 like 40 chapters later.Anyway, time for bed, night ZTG
Well, I've been let go.Evens take the day off, odds start looking for a new job now.
>>31836309sleep tight bunner
>>31836286You could argue that, but Nick still feels like Nick to me. Just kid version and not completely crushed by the world. Also has his mom to care for him.
>>31836312that sucks anon, I'm sorrytake the day, if you have the means to do so. Look after yourself a bit.
>>31836312Sucks shit anon, can't say anything to comfort that considering situation. Corona?
>>31836312Everybody needs a break, especially when that happens. Relax for today.
>>31836466Yeh, fair. I don't really mind the disconnect as I like any stuff in Zootopia as long as I like the story, but sometimes it feels like a story that keeps referring to the characters name thinking I'm going to leave if they are not Nick Wilde or Judy Hopps.
May you have a good night /ztg/
>>31837673sleep warm tuber
>>31837673Good night a_sig
>>31838339Sleep tight bunner (?)
>>31834000Based sprained-ankle-edits-anon
>>31834754>haley joel osment
>>31839145I feel like Haley Joel Osment would be a good voice for Ollie, but that's just my unasked for opinion
>>31839930Scratchie scratchie
Night
>>31812506>>31812487
In case comic didn't see it last time
>>31840503G'night rodent anon on leopard print. Sleep well
>>31834022>the rack that Byron originally gave herpics pls?
You are going to die alone, anon.
>>31843245Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4quWXq-EqE
>>31843686stb tight bunner
>>31843686sleep
Bros.....I think i like Fox.....
>>31834236Maybe he'll try to cancel them on twitter.
>>31843245Why?
>>31833063That's why she's a great artist.
>>31831138I'm not in anyway a regular, but I love drawing cub and I don't take commissions. Request away.
>>31831535Your review rundown reminded me of that magazine article someone posted here, a few years ago, which talked about a few fanfics.I hope someone else knows the thing I'm talking about, since I definitely didn't save that picture or know how to find it again
Goodnight y'all. Have a fact before I go
>>31845720No wonder Nala gave fucking bedroom eyes to Simba when she finally met him!Also, why Scar was so tired of ruling
>>31847499I wish it happened with you.
>>31832184>>31832195Thats a very nice haunch of lamb, indeed.
>>31844711Nick solo masturbation.
https://twitter.com/nklove3104/status/1289190449043800066
>>31847711
>>31847717
>>31847590Oh, I like that, a young boy exploring his own body.
this cute tuber is lost and wants his mommy
>>31847729Are you the unnamed artist in question?
>>31847711>はあ…Nick: *sigh*>ニックJudy: Nick>お疲れ様!今日は大変だったわね…Judy: Good work today! Today was tough, huh...>ああ…今日は流石に堪えたよ…こんな日は相棒からご褒美が欲しいなあ…Nick: Yeah... and I bore through it all the same... A day like this really makes me want some sort of reward from my partner...>ブルーベリースムージーのお店にでも寄ってもらおうか…Nick (thought): Maybe you could stop by a shop and grab me a blueberry smoothie...>ご褒美…Judy: A reward, huh...>>31847717>まあ、スムージーでもNick: Hmm, maybe you could treat me to a>トンSFX: ton (*tip-toe*)>おごっ…Nick: Smoothi-...>ちゅSFX: chu (*smooch*)>私が疲れてる時もよろしくね!Judy: I hope I get the same after I have a long day!>ぐっSFX: gu (*gulp*)>場所間違えてるぞお嬢さんNick: You kissed the wrong spot, miss>スムージーも買いに行こうJudy: Let's go buy some smoothies>>31847723>いったい何があったの~?>これなーんだ?Clawhauser: What in the world happened here~?What's thiiis?>ドーナツ1ダーズでオレにも分けてくれNick: I'll give you a dozen donuts if you give me a copy>「私が疲れてる時もよろしくね」ってどういうことだ?>ニンジンにとってもキスがごほうびになるってことか??>バニーバロウではキスも普通なのか?そうだよな ウサギ族だしな…Nick: What did she mean by "I hope I get the same after I have a long day"?Does Carrots want a kiss as a reward too?Is it normal for people to kiss like that in Bunnyburrow? That must be it, bunnies must be like that...
>>31847779I am not, sorry.
>>31847755I can be his mommy.
>>31847947he already has a mommy. He wants to go to his mommy
>>31833150>just now realizing they're scumpedos must die, only then will the threads be clean
>>31848146since a lot of pedos are homosexuals, then we also must purge the gays.Lets use bratty Skyler as bait
>>31848146>4chan>clean>being this new
>>31848231A toilets still a toilet, but the least you can do is not get shit on the seat.
>>31831138Keep an eye on SoulCentinel, he's closed at the moment but he said he'll open up eventually. He does great cub Judy and cub Bellweather.
>>31848228Homosexual love is the purest love there is <3 Women can't compete
>>31848579Homosexuals can't compete with Bratty Skyler
>>31847947>Implying he won't be your daddy
>>31831031Thanks for sharing.
>>31312005
...Holy... You. >>31831031 , I don't really think I could thank you enough. No, none of those fics are mine. I've been kinda blessed and cursed and won about however much attention I've had and it ain't about that. It's just good to see other authors getting attention in here. Bless you for that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD3U3sb54Z4
>>31849272Why is this so cute. Is it because they're gay?
>>31849203NoiceWhat a nerd, though
>>31849288Not gay, he's telling the other tod about this rabbit doe he just fell in love with.
Looks like it's time for the Zootopia porn detectives again over at e621.https://e621.net/posts/2351777?q=zootopia
>>31849621then why is the other dude blushing?
>>31849891Because he wants to lick his friend's knot. That's not gay, it's just fox culture.
>>31849980But why would he want to lick that specific friends's knot? There's plenty of foxes out there. Unless he likes him.
>>31849634I’ve been seeing more than a few copycats here and there recently. There was one account on Twitter that was nothing but copied Zoot art.
>>31847590Yeah alright
>>31847909Thanks TB!
>>31849634It was pretty obvious.
>>31849634At least they were right. Most accusations I see of tracing aren't even close.
>>31850379Would you be willing to take a request for a different character from another franchise? Still a fox though.
>>31850921It couldn't hurt to ask. Though I won't know until you do. It's a bit off topic, and there's nothing in particular about foxes that I care for.
>>31850961I guess I'll shoot my shot then. Would you be willing to draw something cute of Lucky from New Super Lucky's Tale? He's the one on the left. It doesn't need to be NSFW. Maybe draw him wearing a Junior Ranger Scout uniform?
for a sec i thought it was ninjafox
Nick is best
>>31851196Why does he make me feel gay
>>31851018Not interested. Sorry.
>>31851449Foxe
>>31851449I can feel the gay from here
>>31851491The fierceness of your nibbles only makes me more erect.
And oh yeah, it's a dumb sidenote but, I'm kind of having to stop myself from using one artist's work as a point of reference for another that I commissioned. I kind of hate that I'm even thinking of it in the first place. Zootopia anatomy has a specific quirk, though. Most prey mammals have longer legs / arms and most predators have longer torsos, instead. It's pretty much the same as RL anatomy but... Eh. I feel pretty self conscious about correcting.
>>31851372Understandable. Thanks anon.
>>31851579bold of you to assume his sexuality just by looking at him
>>31851673> It's pretty much the same as RL anatomyScuse me...
>>31851018>>31851372>>31851788Why can't more people on this site have more polite interactions like this?
>>31851987Because we're full of sensitive creators and entitled consumers.
>>31852278we are?
>>31852278Not really. Maybe it varies from general to general. But I find the respectful interactions like that are fairly common. Most hardcore shitposter and rabble-rousers seem to have retired from /trash/.
>>31853122
>>31853139
>>31853149https://twitter.com/ss1msy/status/1289600983115341826
>>31852632CONSOOM
>>31853139They on the news too lol.
>>31853475That's why they're so happy.
What are you listening to /ztg/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo
>>31853663https://youtu.be/BL_Q1Ex3akE
>>31853663https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lMOsdHhqio
>>31853947>rtx off>rtx on
>>31853663hello tuber, how you doin?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOx9odFKyqA
I would like to request a nude Judy scuba diving (wearing goggles, flippers, air tank).Doesnt have to be doing a lewd act if need be, just having a nice swim while being free of swimsuit.No summer vacation for me, trapped in the house, covid took it all away. Nothing, all gone...I have no idea of artists still lurk here so...here I throw my dice to gamble.
>>31854619Bubblesbro...
>>31854654Who?
>>31854619>>31854654was my first thought
>>31854723I am intrigued, tell me more.She is meeting davy jones in this pic?
>>31814524>Terry hanging out with his best bud>>31854054Doing good, I hope you too
>>31853663https://youtu.be/1sHkxZlfRKA
>>31855048>Terry has no friends.
>>31855048i assume this is the point some aussie would imply drinking piss
>>31855085old gold
>>31855048>Terry, contemplating the universe he'll soon conquer, as he plots world domination while drinking a few beers.
>>31855871Definitely
>>31851816>Scuse me...Yeah, but you're a freak!
>>31856930First you insult rectangular pupils, but, Insulting maned wolves now too? really?
>>31834022>but the rack that Byron originally gave her, was fine.PICS?
>>31832556>Your autism is great. Now put it all into a pastebinOkay, I did.https://pastebin.com/qB747vxr>and keep it updatedEhhh, maybe. I promise nothing.
>>31834022Hey, look, it's Boobie Bunny!
>>31847711Hello new thoughtful reaction image
>>31831031Followup: By request, now has a Pastebin.https://pastebin.com/qB747vxr
>>31857526gonna be honest, i don't like how most japanese artists draw judy, but she actually looks pretty good there
>>31857668I agree with you, on both points.
>>31857668>>31857696Dogear draws Judy pretty good, thoIt's the way they draw Nick that bugs me a little
>>31857516
>>31858731sleep well
>>31858731Good night!
>>31858840The pleasured look of a foxxo getting his prostate pounded
>>31859931How sweet of Nick to have the coffee pot prepped.
>>31847590>>31850379>>31847729Is someone drawing this? I'm confused. Not my request btw.
>>31851816>200R$ bux dog
>>31859956purple dick nick
>>31860103pussy so tight it's cutting off his bloodflow.
Friendly reminder that August 2nd is "Bunny Day" and "Panties Day" in Japan8 = ba2 = ni8/2 = bani = bunny8 = pa2 = tsu ("japanese" pronunciation of "two")8/2 = patsu = pantsu = panties
>>31859956That's quite nice.
>>31859998Yes. I'm drawing cub Nick, sitting in a bathtub, playing with his red rocket as it slowly extends out his sheath. Mama Wilde is out of focus in the background. He's not exactly full jacking off as the masturbation of the original requester asked for, but it is exploration like the other one requested. Hope that's OK.It's sketched out and inking now. Don't know if I'll finish tonight, as I had other projects to work on. But tomorrow by the latest.
>>31860372Looking forward to it, hope its wholesome
Yep, I officially hate this place now.Have fun in the van you fucking pedos.
>>31860372you have my attention
Setting the next fashion trend for zootopia
Reminder that Weaver is a pedo.
>>31860501Candy?
>>31860501>>31860541Looks like a Lulu draw
>>31860571I was about to say no way because of the eyes and face, but the body is more lulu than Candy...
>>31860571yeeeee, i forgot to put my name on my recent draws
>>31860372Don't tease us. I want to believe a pic is actually coming.
>>31860624Yo luluTT has been slow so Im going to be a dick and ask whether you have any inspo for the next or previous theme, even for shitpost contributions
>>31860660>31860660this week's TT is....bunny burrow? I could probably think of something to shitpost draw
>>31860704You a best, everyone who likes TT thanks you too
>>31860372Nice, anon. I'm also looking forward to it.
>>31860634
>>31860660>TT has been slownow im sad
>>31860945TT, 5/5s, its all been slow. I wish more was done for Discord integration of these events. Nobody talks about it anymore.
>>31860840Based, cute as fuck too. Do you have an IB?
This thread is DEAD
Nobody cares. This thread is for triggering simps with shit posting and dox dumps.
>>31861033Discord integration?
>>31860840+1
>>31861259somehting as simple as pinging people when 5/5s are up.not a priority. they said theyd talk about it and they didnt. official statement is the discord isnt for that.
The bunny burrow incident
>>31861466You have some great facial expressions, friend.
>>31857303
>>31861466this is greatEveryone remembers the Incident, everyone laughs about how Terry went coocooThey don't talk nearly as much about how they had to fucking behead him with a blunt shovel to get him to stop
>>31859931>SOCKS!?So, wonder who the other will be?It won't be Nick 'cause he's not gay, maybe it'll be Sharla.
>>31861564The blood stains they couldn't clean out from between the kitchen tiles tell the real tales.
>>31861541I do agree that they could have given her just a bit more chest in the final design, but since I am primarily a legs and assman, I cant complain too much with where they put her best...assets.
>>31860512They were all over sixteen, which is legal somewhere.
>>31861740Ever look at Weaver's original bounce house skit comic?
>>31860840I'm >>31847590I appreciate you taking my request. Looks cute as hell!
>>31860840You are a tiny tease, I love it.
>>31861782>bounce houseIn what way was that cub? The only vaguely cub stuff Weaver did was when he drew Spike from MLP.
>>31861939The original script mentioned that one of Judy's sisters was 12 when she got her first bounce house.Weaver, of course, later revised it to 16 to stop people from freaking out about it.
>>31861466OMGI was thinking this was out of some horrible zoot zombie fic, until I realised it's actually a part of the movie!Well played.
>>31861998anon I think you dreamed this. To prove it's real you have to post it. Or at the very least link it
>>31831031Have you read night terrors by rick griffin?
>>31862018I'm sure someone has it saved.If desu had a working search backend, I'd pull it up myself.
>>31861826Not teasing. Just confirming I am indeed making an attempt.
no chopped heads, not disney approved
>>31861939https://e621.net/posts/893783?pool_id=8481>the_weaver>cub
>>31862078Comical head bumps are more acceptable than decapitations..>I promise never to use this again.
>>31862127you're a monster rt
>>31862166Why thank you.I just wish I could be motivated to get back into it all, not that I would do more like this, this was a one off for... something?I had an urge to do some movie crossovers, which I might get back into...
>>31862075Maybe he needs a slightly more quizzical look?The, "Oh, what's this?" look
>>31862360do whatever makes you happy
>>31862078Whatever happened to Terry?
>>31862096Looks like "late-teens being counted as cub" bullshit to me. But if you prefer to be outraged, I won't stand in your way.
>>31862950I can 100% guarantee you this person, who's been accusing various artists for days now, doesn't actually give a shit about people drawing cub in the first place. They just know other people do and is trying to stir outrage.
>>31862913He became a mongoose.
>>31862075This is some 10/10 shit, are you a (furry)famous artist?
>>31862075>>31862384No, he needs a face that says "Oh *wow*, that feels good"
>>31862075>>31863049THIS!
>>31863049Based. I didn't start fapping until I was 13 but I'm pretty sure that the first time I nutted I went blind for a bit, my face was scrunched really hard, and I passes out on my bed.
>>31863213*Passed
It's a shame so many here were abused as children and driven to grow up with warped sexual problems.Growing up normally and discovering your own and other's bodies during adolescence helped being able to relate to others and be comfortable with our bodies.I have fond memories of those days, was still a virgin till 19, but that was more due to responsibilities taught to me by good parents, and being a little nerd.
>>31862026I have, thanks!
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>>31863841I don't think it's safe to open confessions right now...
>>31863841Im pissed nobody followed up with discord doing thematic thursday or 5/5 rolling integration after so many people said they wanted it
>>31863854I missed the day, only coming up right now and jumped at the bottomof the page.. what happened?
>>31863882You missed the party, Anon. Very sad.
>>31863841I'm only just learning to draw but I worry that I'm too close to this reference and it's more like tracing at this point
>>31862999lolno
>>31863882>what happened?Someone requested cub art, and a few other anons started encouraging an artist after he decided to take up said request.Just goes to show how many actual pedophiles managed to snake their way into the threads.Needless to say, I would've waited until it died down a bit before confessions so they don't get anyone else in trouble.
>>31864016Oh, that's unfortunate. Do you post your art anywhere, like inkbunny?
>>31864110You're blowing it out of proportion. It's just cub art.
>>31864153I like to be anonymous when I'm on 4chan. People will probably figure it out when I post the finished product. There's almost always somebody who makes a big fuss. But I like the opportunity to just draw without any other issues.
>>31864186Thanks for being here anyway anon, I appreciate you.
>>31864186Is it safe to assume you've never drawn for the /trash/ drawthread?
>>31864280I've drawn many many times for the drawthreads, for years. I've drawn for zootopa threads, also for years. I just usually lurk.
>>31864352Ah ok cool. Thanks for sticking around!
>>31863841I wish I could draw my own fetish and not have it look like crap
dead thread
>>31863841I'm sorry for all the grief I've caused during my confessions. No matter what, I shouldn't be spilling my personal stuff onto these threads and ruining the vibe of this place. I know I've made people uncomfortable, and I apologize.
>>31863841I still haven't actually watched Zootopia.
>>31863841I still feel guilty for getting my friends in trouble for expressing my own viewpoints, but I've never had the balls to admit it was my fault
>>31863841I think I might have gotten over my weird habit of hugging my pillow and pretending it's one of my friends' sonas.Still super lonely and depressed though.
>>31863841sometimes I watch the 4chan porn ads and think they're hot
>>31863841I've been contemplating suicide for a while now.I haven't fleshed out an exact plan, but I do know if I move forward with one, I'll be posting my last message here in the threads, since they've been such a huge impact on my life, for better or for worse.
>>31866694You're not allowed to kill yourself unless you have a drink with everyone from /ztg/.
>>31866791So long as my drink's laced with sodium pentathol and pancuronium.
>>31867066Haha no silly, you drink is gonna be mixed in with everyone else's for a drink roulette.
