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There was never really a proper conclusion, apart from the author's notes that were compiled into a PDF back in November. The original post: https://nicolaswildes.tumblr.com/post/180241892705/the-link-under-the-following-cut-will-lead-you-to
But since the link to the file is on a site that requires your e-mail address for some stupid reason, here's an upload of my copy.
Ozzy belongs with Rex
Yeaaah, that was the problem! The email address. I was worried about giving it my email so i just fucked off. Thank you so much dude, I really appreciate it
lurking, programming, the usual
Psychology, just nursing work.
Trying to help a friend feel better and preparing a character for another friend's Pathfinder tournament.
>Oh Zistopia, why'd you have to end?

...Because the author ran out of Protozoot material, and the stuff she came up with whole-cloth was shit.

And she was became obsessed with tumblr shit like Garbage Baby.
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Doing alright, getting some painting done.

https://youtu.be/fzcQxRr1cSw atm, completely stuck in my head atm.
This is a nice tube.
Quick, somebody call his mother to congratulate her on her gay son!
Reminder that tubes shall only engage in sexual acts with other tubes, like Nature intended.
But what about yeens?
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Such a lovable platonic duo.
They are not tubes, so no.
Friends give friends prostate checks.

And massages should tension demand such measures.
See, anons?
Learn from this gazelle, the maximum amount of lewd is just a friendly, platonic kiss
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I'm doing okay; working on the SS when I have time.


Terry is giant.

Terry stop eating giant pythons and get onto a strictly corn snake diet.

Goodnight, magical and wonderful /ztp/ threads. I hope your mongooses don't grow out of their clothes.
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Sleep tight bun bun
Yeens are cute
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Yeen is such a generic furry term, I can't say I like it.

I appreciate hyenas, though.
We were on 10 so I just posted what I could.
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Oh I appreciate your sacrifice, I should be more attentive
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Aww, that's really cute. You trying out a new style Nemo?
oh this is just the cutest, nicely done
I forgot how to draw because I had stopped.
Well I think it looks nice.
This image has, more than any other, convinced me Terry is indeed pure.

Your squirrel is so pure it has purified him by contact.
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THIS... is allowed
But no more!
Terry is pure by default
Boards getting spammed again, just a heads up to watch the page count.
Welp. THAT was educational.

Now I want to see some Zootopia prostate orgasms. Maybe Chief Bogo shooting some ropes as Clawhauser fists him. While they're both watching a Gazelle video together.
I'm just surprised all these prey feel safe around 2100 grams of nature's perfect killing machine like him.
Nemo's not 'that' bad
Since he's packing more than both of them combined the lust overwhelms the natural fear of the predator
>getting bothered by /yiff/
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Reposting translations from last night (along with some new pages) since I made some small corrections today during some small breaks

The story on the next few pages was originally an idea Tweeted by Bibio that I drew. Thanks, Bibio!
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>small corrections during small breaks
I see I'm still holding firm to my crown as King of Redundancy

Judy: Are you sure you don’t need us to escort you? Please return home safely
You’ll freeze if you stay out on the street
Rodents: Sorry for all the trouble

Nick: Listen here
Before you two go off and elope, have a talk with your parents
Them talking about how you’re “different species” or “different social statuses”
They’re just using those stale talking points to try to get you to give up
Don’t lose to them

Rodents: … Okay!

Nick: Go get ‘em

Nick: Finally, we’re done~

Nick: Man, there are a toooon of accidents and incidents this time of year
I’m beat
Judy: It’s kind of thoughtless, but I feel really satisfied
Nick: Ever the workaholic, huh Carrots
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Judy: Nick! Want to stop by the park for a bit?
It’s super pretty!

>ここって夜こんなになるのね 知らなかった
Judy: I didn’t know the park got like this at night
SFX: tata (*tap* *tap*; Judy running)
>冬季はずっとやってるぞ ここは有名な・・・
Nick: They do this all winter
It’s a famous…

Nick: ― dating spot
Nick: Still want to stop by?

>・・・やっぱりやめとく? ここ歩いてたらわたしたちもカップルに見えちゃうかも
Judy: … Maybe we should stop? If we walked through here, people might think we’re a couple or something
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Nick: … I’m not worried about that
SFX: doki (*ba-dum*; Judy’s heart thumping)

Nick: There’s no reason to worry
A rabbit and a fox?
There’s no way

Judy: … I don’t think that'd be true
Nick: That so, huh
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Judy: Then let’s go out somewhere else
Nick: Huh?
SFX: gun (*GRAB*)
Judy: A date! You said it wouldn’t be a problem
Nick: HUH!?


>一緒お願いしたいの いま席空いてる?
Judy: We’d like to sit together
Are there any available seats?
>ええ ちょうど一席
Waiter: Of course, we have just the one

Judy: We might be a rabbit and a fox, but I hope there won’t be any trouble
Waiter: ? Not particularly… Ah, the seat may be a bit too large for a rabbit
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Judy: You were saying?

>はあ・・・わかったよ ついでに謝った方がいいか?
Nick: Haaah… I get it
Next you’ll be wanting an apology?
Nick: I’m not angry
SFX: gui (*grab*)

Nick: But I hurt your feelings
SFX: koto (*clink*; Judy setting down her glass)
Judy: I never said that

Judy: I wanted to praise you
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>保護した あの子らはあんなに力強く励ませるのに
Judy: You really cared
but, even though you so strongly encouraged those kids from earlier
You can’t seem to do it for yourself
So I’ll say it instead

Judy: I want you to not give up……

Nick: Is it okay for me to not give up…?
Judy: There’s no reason for you not to
Judy: You…
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えっ?あ ちがうちがう!
ニックに種族や身分で相手を選ばないでほしいって意味で 別にわたしがどうってことじゃ わああーっ
Judy: Huh? AH
I just meant I don't want you to pick your partner just because of their species or social status
I didn’t mean it in any special wa- WAAAH
SFX wata wata (Judy rapidly waving her hands)
SFX: GABAAAH (grab and pull)

Nick: Then, do you want to help me find some other person to be with in the future, Carrots?

今日いち傷つけてるわ わたし・・・
Judy: … You dummy
If I think about that
Then I’d be the person who hurt me the most today…
SFX: puru puru (*sad bun shaking*)

SFX: chu (*smooch*)

Judy: … Nick, you’re drunk
Nick: I didn’t have a single drop, so I’m not drunk (TN: in reference to him kissing where she cried earlier)
Judy: I meant from the alcohol
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Judy: ― Nick
I won’t… Give up, either…
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>チャンチャラ ララン ラララン

>ピッ はいっ
>えっ 応援に!?数が足りない!?
>はいまだ近くです ワイルド巡査も連れて・・・ぇ!?
Judy: *beep* YES
Huh- you need assistance!? There’s not enough people!?
Yes, I’m still nearby, I’ll bring Officer Wilde… Huh!?
No, it’s no problem
We were just on our way home!
We’ll be there!
Nick: GUOOOH (screaming into the pillow)
SFX: BATABATA (Nick flailing his legs)

>あ~ あ~ 叫びたい!
Judy: Can’t be helped this time of year…
Excuse me…
Waiter: Ready to leave?
SFX: yoro (Judy moving the curtain)

Nick: JUDY!
Judy: WHAT-
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>あ チェックで
Nick: Ah
Check, please
Waiter: Oh my

SFX: wanawana (angry trembling)
Judy: Wh-

Nick: We can do it properly later, so…
>させないわよ わたしがする!
>なにそれ めちゃくちゃやる気出るな
Nick: What’s with that, you’re awfully eager now
Hurry up and let’s go, so we can get this over with lickety-split
Waiter: Thank you for your patronage!

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Nick: Nn…

SFX: pochi (Nick pressing the “home” button)

SFX: muku… (groggily getting up)

Nick: *yawn*
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SFX: shaaaaa (the shower running)
SFX: gui (*grab*)
SFX: kopopo (Nick pouring water)
SFX: pi (*beep*)
pu (*blip*)

TV: In today’s weather information…
Due to yesterday’s natural rainfall, the water levels in the Rainforest District have yet to lower
As such, todays scheduled sprinklers will be temporarily suspended

In an effort to lower the water levels, be on the lookout for large amounts of snow and blizzards in Tundra Town later this afternoon
In other news…

The expected high temperature in Sahara Square will be 45 degrees Celsius
Both those resistant to heat and those who aren’t should drink plenty of liquids
Be wary of any feelings of dizziness caused by heat exhaustion…
Nick: Hmm…
SFX: piku (Nick’s ears perking up)

SFX: kata (*click*)
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>ああ・・・俺 ニック ニック・ワイルド
>今日は予定は?ない?そりゃよかった 仕事をしないか?
Nick: Ahhh… Hello? Finnick?
Yeah… It’s me
Nick Wilde
You got any plans today? No? That’s good to hear
Want to do a job?
SFX: gacha (Nick opening a door)
SFX: gu (Nick grabbing his shirt)

>そう・・・場所はサバンナとツンドラ あとサハラスクエアだな
Nick: Yeah… The places will be Savana, Tundra, then Sahara Square
Will it be hot? Naturally… Heat’s where the money is
Nick: The split’ll be 70/30… Alright, 60/40’s fine

Nick: Yeah… and don’t forget the usual baby clothes
Yeah, I know that, that’s why I asked

SFX: kyu (Nick tightening his tie)
Nick: Alright
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Nick: Now then…
Shall we get going?

This was my everyday life
Well… Up until that time
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Nick ryhmes with dick. Think about that
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TN: this bit follows the movie to the letter, so I put the actual line from the movie and the re-translation of the localization along with it
>English line from the movie will be greentexted when it differs from the retranslation

Judy: Locked… Great…
SFX: chari (chain rattling)

Nick: And you can’t go in without authorization even though you’re a cop, right?
>Nick: Mm. And I will betcha you don't have a warrant to get in, hmm?

This is a dead end for the investigation
Finally time to say goodbye
Nick: That’s a real shame
>Nick: Darn it. That’s a bummer.

Judy: You were wasting time on purpose!
>Judy: You wasted the day on purpose!
Nick: Hey, I’m a pretend officer, I would never interfere with your pretend investigation
Nick: Ma'am, I have a pretend badge, I would never impede your pretend investigation.
Judy: It's not a pretend investigation!

Judy: Here, look
He’s… He’s been missing for a long time!
>Judy: Look, see? See him?
>This otter is missing

Nick: Hmm…
Then… There should be a “decent” cop looking for them
>Nick: Well, then they should’ve sent a real cop to find them

SFX: kaaa… (angry blushing)
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Judy: What is your problem!?
Does seeing me fail let you forget your sad, miserable life for a moment!?
>Does seeing me fail somehow make you feel better about your own sad, miserable life!?

For a moment my breath stopped

I wondered if she really had read my heart like that

It’s fine if this rabbit fails
I thought that it’d be better if she gave up before she couldn’t recover
If that happened, it’d be the straightest route
It’s true, right? Surely she’s gonna fail in the same way I did
That’s why I never change
Even if I did change, as long as the world doesn’t change there’s no point in putting in the effort
>そう・・・俺は諦めたんだ だからー・・・
That’s right… I gave up
That’s why…
Nick: … That’s right
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Nick: That’s exactly right
>Nick: It does, 100%
It’s better to immediately give up on your dreams

That’s right
I can’t bear to see that irritated face of yours
It’s like looking at a version of me from long ago
That’s why, quickly
Give up on everything
Before you get hurt

Nick: Now then… Since you don’t have authorization, it looks like this is the end
>Nick: Now… Since you’re sans warrant, I guess we're… Done?
>ええ 終わりよ ペンをどうぞ
Judy: Fine, we are done
Here’s your pen
SFX: hyu (*fwoosh*; the pen being thrown)
Nick: AH

Nick: Your throwing is terrible… Was it really that painful for you?
>Nick: First of all you throw like a bunny… Second, you're a very sore loser
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>本当ザンネンだ もっと役にたちたかったよ
Nick: Well, see you later
It’s a real shame, wish I could’ve been more help
>Nick: See you later, Officer Fluff
>So sad this is over. Wish I could've helped more

SFX: saku (Nick stepping on the snow)

Judy: Didn’t you know?
>Judy: The thing is

Judy: You don’t need a warrant if you have probable cause
Judy: and I just saw a suspicious animal sneaking in and went in pursuit
>Judy: and I’m pretty sure I just saw a shifty lowlife climbing the fence

Nick: Huh… She played me good
Using police regulations on me as an excuse
Who’s the real hustler here?
>なかなか役にたってるわよ 行きましょ?
Judy: So you’re helping plenty
Come on!

>ちょっと何してるの 早く
Judy: Hey, what’s the holdup? Hurry up!
She really is like me

>時間がないの わかってる?
Judy: We don’t have time for this
Do you understand?
>はいはい 了解巡査
Nick: Yeah yeah
Roger that, Officer
Nick: Can’t be helped
Let’s help her for a little bit longer
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That's the last page I've got; next chapter is next on the translation queue
gay foxo
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Dogear you tease, show us the bulge!
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It's not gay if he's disguised as a vixen
why are Nick fags such in denial.
Judy looks like she's stepped out of a NesQuick commercial here.
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I can only imagine the amount of porn and cosplaying of Judy that must have been made after the night howler case.
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Don't know why but this made me laugh.
app source?
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>Nick being Judy fan
This a level of wholesomeness comparable to the Nick being a Robin Hood fan comic
It really is cute, I like that he dragged Finnick along for the ride and dumped their child in his arms so he could hug Judy.

So in this au is Judy like an Japanese idol or something? Will there be a dance show?

I think this is based on something with Disney resort or something, I remember seeing some posts on twitter by Japanese Zoot artists where they had tickets to meet Nick and Judy.
I thought it was VRbit lying on the bed from the thumbnail.
laying on the bed*

my bad
I was so confident that was the case I didn't bother expanding it.
It looks exactly like his head is poking out from under the covers from the thumbnail
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He would never be under the covers. He needs full range of movement.
Same, Comic normally uses those kind of pictures.
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I like to picture this as the aftermath of:
Move star Jack always makes me happy
He must be part tube
he has a cute bulge
>"I'd turn on a fan, but..." He pointed at a broken fan in front of them.
>"Who says you haven't already"
It's cute but at the same time extremely creepy
The picture I mean>>23136971
It reminds me of that pic of the haunted Judy doll.
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>Garbage Baby
"Option three, adoption due to tragedy. Like finding a racoon in a dumpster because that’s not a little racist."
"I mean…is it?"
"Honestly I have no idea how the fuck racism works in this world so I guess?"
Haunted judy doll?
That's a good one. If Nick wasn't so star struck he would've countered with that easily. It's the right amount of smooth and cheesy to be something he'd say
I'll get to this soon™
It wants your soul

The Nick model wants your lewd juice
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May you have a good night /ztg/
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Forgot pic
Sleep warm tuber
Sleep soundly mr sig.
>Betty nods quietly, considering. "Maybe start him out with something more his speed, Avo. I remember Sammy Woolworth was in denial right up until the day he locked lips with Rachel Howlins back in our senior year. It takes them a while to come around, but I imagine he'll find his sheepdog eventually."

Hello everyone, it's time for "Overanalyzing dialogue with anon" once again. I'm your host, anon. Today we'll be focusing on something Betty said in "The thirst gets worse."

Highlighted in green, Betty is shown mentioning a pred-prey couple getting together in her senior year as a way to parallel Remmy with Sammy. (A lot of characters in this story end with an "ee" sound, don't they?) What I'm about to focus on isn't about that, however. What I'm more interested in is how she explained the occurrence.

She said this happened in "Our senior year," and that wording has me wondering...

When she mentions "Ormur senior year," is she talking about her and Sammy, or her and Sammy and Avo? We don't really know Avo's age but we do have an understanding that Betty is a bit older than both Remmy and Wolter as evidenced by a comic, made by Weaver, where one of our favorite sex-crazed aardwolves tries to hit on Betty only for her to reject him, using her older age as reason not to be interested in her.
But what about Avo? Nobody has ever questioned how old she is. Ozzy did mention that Avo was in the pack before he joined, but that could be a mere coincidence. Or maybe not. Maybe she really is older than what we might believe. Or maybe not, considering that Betty babysat Cliff when he was a kid, and Avo hangs out with them like they're her peers. Although it is possible to have friends from a different generation, after all, Pandora does that with Remmy and Wolter and Anneke. Possibly Charlie.

My point is this: what do you guys think? Any thoughts you might wanna add to the mix?
Could be for sure.

I assumed she meant 'our senior year' as in, Betty was in the same grade as Rachel and Sammy.

Avo probably used to hang out with Betty to smoke on the stoop, but cut that out when she refocused on health. We really don't know is the thing, Remmy is notoriously bad at judging species/age/personality.
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You know what I wanna add to this? The idea that Avo introduced Ozzy to Cliff and Neil, two dudes who are a little older than he is. Imagine Ozzy, a lonely teenager who does an excellent job at repressing his feelings to seem happy. Now imagine him trying to figure himself out, things like, why he doesn't want a girlfriend, is that normal, and is there a chance that this is just a phase.
Imagine what a benefit it would be for a kid like that to then see a same sex couple without any pretenses? Can you imagine him going to them personally, telling them how he feels and asking them questions about if how he feels is okay? I think it would be kinda sweet if that's why those two know about his sexuality; he told them in confidence and as a (subconscious) way to find validation.
I fucking love that fic.

"I think it's about time for my parents to show up."

"Aww that's nice. My parents are either dead, not talking to me, or evil so it would be great to have a surrogate family."

"Well you sure as hell can be part of ours Nick. I'm Bonnie and I can see you two love each other and I'm fine with that. Or uncomfortable and racist. Shit what were my character traits again?"

That is what they want you to think; obviously its Cotton.
Yeah, I like to think that Cliff and Neil were the ones who kinda prompted Avo to stick to a healthier note.

Betty asked Avo is she wanted to go out for a smoke, and Avo mentioned 'nah, I'll just have one of these instead', taking a lollipop. So the whole lollipop thing is a coping mechanism (which is not unusual). But the drive there, working out like a monster, talking about she doesn't want her arteries clogged with Bug Burga, I think that's a recent trend.

And I think Cliff and Neil had that impact on her. I would like it if she saw wanted to help out young nineteen year old Ozzy as well two years ago. She did for Remmy, after all, it's kind've her thing.
are you not even a little suspicious of the singular meat eater in their midst
Avo being a mentor is the opposite of what we expected her to be in the beginning of the story
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"Just the other day, I did some research," I muse, faking nonchalance. "Way back when, one of the roles of the Omega was to antagonize the rest of the pack."

"Sounds like you," he huffs, humorlessly, as he turns back to the horizon.

"I mean it. The Omega would sorta playfully poke at the others, make them chase him, start fights he knew he'd lose. He'd unite the others by getting them to rally against him, kinda like a willing punching bag."
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Why didn't I read this before
Haven't read PS for a while, apt to miss many of the finer social clues that occur throughout the story, AND tire of the continual gay inferences suggested towards Ozzy, I tend to believe Ozzy's mental state is brought about from a traumatic experience in his early teens.
I suggest this age, working on the typical response of younger children to (say) death, as not understanding where the deceased has gone, as opposed to teens that have just got to that age where they think they know everything, only to have the 'rug' pulled out from under them at the finality of a death.
This is even more traumatizing if the event is to an immediate family member, and the teen witnessed the event.
Weaver's cartoons suggesting the death of Ozzy's mother, are more the likely source of Ozzy's emotional state.

can you show any of the cartoons with such an inference to his mother?
>"Oh yeah well; we just did that so what now?"

>"Let's see… It should be right about now a sort of canon character turns up to complicate the investigation and also be the same species as one of us at some lazy attempt at conflict."

>"Hello it is I, Jack Savage, here to take the investigation from you as this is now in the hands of FBICIAAGENCYMI5. Judy Hopps, do you want to bang me?"


>"You sure?"


>"Absolutely positive?"

>"I want you to fuck off and leave me alone."

>"And now I shall only hear the 'I want you' part of the conversation and instantly assume I have no chance against this rabbit from FBICIAAGENCYMI5 even though it is blatantly obvious that Judy likes me."

>"Is it my special eyes?"

>"Yes, it is your amethyst orbs."

Not even halfway into this chapter and it's already received a gold star in my book, holy shit.
On a phone, but there is reference to Ozzy being at his mother's grave.
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If I remember correctly, that was just Wishgranter shenanigans and Weaver later said that Ozzy's mother probably isn't dead.
"Probably isn't dead?"

If that's the case then his mother not being around could be due to drugs or something, making it almost as tragic as what we normally believe to be his backstory.
I think that's just wishgranter non-canon shenanigans
>"Ozzy! Are you pretending I'm dead and visiting my fake grave again?!"
>"No mama I wouldn't do that!"
Everyone knows Betty is Ozzy's adoptive mother.
>Ozzy's mother probably isn't dead
This smells like a Weaver ruse.
While the primary arc is the 'maturing' of Remmy, other backstories will no doubt reveal themselves in due course.
I am not Weaver.
Is she really though? Like, legally?
This whole time I really did think that Ozzy's mom died because he couldn't get her the medicine she needed on time. Reading that it was all just some joke has reignited my interest in Ozzy's life story.
Yes, yes they do.
raccoons are way smaller than i expected, actually. i assumed they were the size of a capybara and in truth they are smaller than even a fox. drawing kameela made me realize that
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Oh Kameela, she's too cute.
Don't read into the "probably" too much, those are my words I don't remember exactly what he said.
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Best trash panda (behind Stoutwell of course, RIP)
I refuse.
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Fingers crossed RF is still plinking away at it, would love another chapter.
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I don't think you're right about Moose. Take however big you think they are and double it.
post comfy
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Well, I do enjoy comfy.
Can someone explain why about 80% of everyone on here hates Avo?
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Its a vocal minority of Marty lovers
Makes sense
Avo's the best, and anyone who hates her hasn't been paying attention
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I appreciate that skunkbutt has been paying attention to know that cherry is Avo's favourite flavour
(and then orange)
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This picture I feel has a very comfy energy to it.
Holy balls!
Shrink them now.
I can name several reasons, but I'll just post this.

You can feel the fucking edginess bleeding from the page.
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Zis was always edgy, though. It ended because she had no more interest in writing it, and rather picked up fistfight over random things or over anons comments about her fic.
In fact, you can consider as finished with the PDF. As finished as it will ever be, of course.
are you surprised a fic playing off the word 'dystopia' is edgy
Did a lot of people have a problem with this particular part of the story? I thought it was okay. Not Shakespearean by any means, I wouldn't say it was even close to consideration of such a thing, but I thought it was just... Okay. I honestly did kinda like this part, I won't front anymore. I thought this was a shocking twist
>That casual physical contact
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>Zis was always edgy, though.

There's a difference between having an edge, and being full blown edgelord. And that eventually happened after it came back. Also, supermelodramatic. I'm not going to post the Gwen Skye rant comic again.

>It ended because she had no more interest in writing it, and rather picked up fistfight over random things or over anons comments about her fic.

Yes, but also because she ran out of storybeats from the original movie draft as well, since it was before most of the details of that story were well known.

And the stuff she put in, like the Cud Club, just didn't work.

It was a combination of the fact that the collars were basically Nazi technology, and the ultimate goal of the bad guys wasn't to drive all preds out from Zootopia to make a prey haven, but essentially lobotomize the entire pred population into just being barely functional enough to have kids so they can keep selling collars.

It was just too fucking much.
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Oh man this is cute
Did they forget what the collars were even supposed to be?
I dunno, I have no gauge for edginess. If someone starts with a character being borderline insane because their collar caused them to abort their child, I'll just assume Jeff and Coldsteel will show up at some point.
Man, you have a serious fucking bone to pick with the Skye thing.
I think what the author was going for was that Nick essentially lied to Sk- Gwen, I should say, by telling her that her abnormal feelings towards a group that society would call her broken for was actually something he said to make her feel better; not that he actually meant it...
So Gwen sees that Nick has feelings toward someone that goes against the very nature of their rigid society's expectations and so now she sees her friend as someone who has an idea of what she's going through. A kindred spirit in a world that wants to destroy them for merely existing. For being attracted to something or someone that their society would have them punished for. It's a terrifying feeling, and Gwen must've wanted to know that she wasn't alone.

Unfortunately an interracial relationship and a queer relationship, while treated with the same fundamental disdain in their dystopian world, is hard to identify as being similar, as Nick shows with his melt down. I feel that Nick may have overreacted here. And Gwen, who was obviously projecting all her feelings of alienation onto the one person she believed would understand her and empathize with her, didn't. In fact, he goes as far as to say that he isn't a freak.
And that word, freak, is that breaks her heart and has her wanting to rip his out of his chest and stomp on it. Her friend, who she knew was going through something that she had to face, called what he feels to be freakish, and in her mind, that meant that he thought of her feelings as abnormal, the guy who must've told her he'd love and support her no matter what. Were either of them justified in their melt downs? They both were pretty self centered here, I'd say.

Queer relationships and Interracial relationships are different.

I feel like I'm reading the RIck and Morty "High IQ" meme.
>I feel that Nick may have overreacted here

and you'd be wrong.
So as I was saying:
Queer and Interracial relationships are different. But when you consider that they both involve two people who are physically and emotionally attracted to one another, and that their feelings and actions to be with one another are both vilified and punished as a result of practice, it puts into perspective that the differences are a bit surface level. By saying that one isn't like the other when you take into account all these factors it implies that you don't find one kind of relationship as valid or as reasonable as the other.

So Gwen was massively projecting her feelings onto a guy who was already in emotional turmoil and that's wrong.
Nick rejected his feelings in the midst of his hurt and inadvertently hurt his friend by implying that anything not considered "normal" by the awful standards of their society and that's also wrong. But there's an argument to be made that Gwen should've held back and not made this all abt herself. But it's easy to see where she's coming from.

And why is that? Gwen didn't know what he was going through. He didn't have to suddenly start yelling at her. Sure, her projecting her feelings onto him was fucking stupid, but he didn't need to flip out on his friend either
She was literally trying to invade his privacy in "trying to be supportive", failed to pick up any social cue to drop it.

Then she called him a bigot when Nick, as far as we've ever seen him in this story, has been perfectly supportive of her choices, yet she refuses to honor his. And the moment he doesn't want to admit his prey-dophilic tendencies, he gets called a bigot.

It was fucking stupid and heavy handed in the tumblr politics.
He had just discovered that he was, once again, a wanted fugitive, no longer able to go outside for fear of being arrested, and seemingly betrayed by the rabbit he's come to trust. He has just learned this, and NotSkye decided to pry into his love life, something he made very clear he was not willing to speak about at the moment, but she decided to keep pushing at a taboo subject, and then took it personally when Nick, blatantly in a foul mood already, snapped at her. I don't know what the fuck she expected to happen but Nick gave her clear warning that he was not in the mood to talk.
Not the same anon, but I think the main problem with it is that the whole utility of Zootopia is to explain real prejudice through the allegory of animal Species.
Having a character literally point out "My discrimination for being homosexual is the same as yours for crossing pred/prey boundaries" is way too on the nose.
Like they got too impatient to actually finish the story and just decided to use blatant exposition instead.
That's a good point. Like I was saying, she massively projected all of her feelings onto him and yeah, she made it all about herself in the end. A big social cue would've been to shut up the moment he started yelling at her, but does anybody just stop arguing when someone yells at them? In my experience, no. Most people double down on their bullshit because they don't like being yelled at.

Besides, who's to say Nick actually was supportive of her and not just saying pretty things to make her happy? Plenty of people do that for their friends while secretly hiding the fact that they disagree or just don't understand why their friend feels the way that they do. It's too bad that'll never get developed later on since there is no later on anymore.
This should be illegal, its unnatural for boy buns to kiss boy foxes.
That's a fair point. I can see how people will find it pandering. It comes out of nowhere in my opinion. I get where the author was coming from, but there might've been much better way to go about it
That's just eskimo kissing though, perfectly chaste.
Except we literally SEE in the comic that he has no problem with it. He invites her and her girlfriend to the grand opening of Wilde Times and he has nothing but good things to say about them both. That's why her whole rant is fucking retarded; it explicitly goes against what the comic has already established. Even when she's screaming in his face for no good reason, he doesn't say anything negative about her or her relationships.
Because that was never ever shown, what was shown, mind you, is both being good friends as kids, then she and with her girlfriend on the park with him kissing her ass and she basking on it. Yeah, sure, you could make a new chapter where it reveals Nick run her last girlfriend through the grinder screaming make zootopia great again, but then you REALLY have to make him even worse by making him reprogram her collar to try shock therapy on her because she literally says "I thought being incarcerated on this universe without any hope of survival on prison and extreme bad treatment would make you a better person that does not accidentally kill others with defective collars but you didnt change it".
Tldr: just make nick the antagonist if you want to defend that page, stop beating around the bush ffs
I honest to god wasn't trying to come off that way. Sorry if I sounded like a reddit poster or something. I just wanted to try to explore a different perspective. Just understand an emotionally distraught character trying to find a common ground with someone who told her that he'd support her no matter what, only to then imply that he didn't truly mean any of it and was just trying to make her happy. Maybe she felt patronized in a way? It's funny, considering a lot of people might find the execution of this scene to be pandering as all hell. And again, i can see why they would.

My point is, I do actually kinda see why she reacted the way she did. It hurts to find out all those reassurances weren't real when you see your friend hypocritically try to deny it in themselves when they're going through something deeply similar to you.

She definitely overreacted and yeah, the writing was on the nose here. But it had potential, I believe.
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>Besides, who's to say Nick actually was supportive of her and not just saying pretty things to make her happy? Plenty of people do that for their friends while secretly hiding the fact that they disagree or just don't understand why their friend feels the way that they do. It's too bad that'll never get developed later on since there is no later on anymore.

The author is supposed to say it, and she failed to communicate if Nick really wasn't supportive.

He invited Gwen Skye and her GF to work for Wild Times, build it together with all his friends like Honey, Finnick and Clawhauser.

The story built Nick up as very open minded, for a pred in a city like Zis!Zootopia. As a kid, he willingly mingled with prey (including that teasing kiss from young Gazelle).

He built an entire amusement park to serve as a haven for preds of all walks of life even though it was a pain in the ass to account for activities that could be species specific.

The aforementioned good (at least on the surface) relationship with Gay Gwen Skye.

Then his eventually attraction to Judy.

It doesn't serve the story or character at all for Nick to just not like Gwen Skye because she's got gay cooties.
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Reposting my birthday drawing from yesterday, since I posted it near the end of the last thread.
I never really pictured Jack as brown.
It's nice
All I'll say is this:

There was a way for a confrontation for Nick and Gwen to happen that wasn't as subtle as a brick to the face, but the author didn't do it well at all.
Even if all of that were true, she's STILL a shitty friend because Nick clearly wanted space and wanted to not talk about it (almost like he's trying to do something like, say, work through his own feelings) and she couldn't even give him that. Again, this is like TWO PAGES after Nick has just seen on TV that he is a wanted fugitive and he's fucking freaking out about it, and she decides "yes, now is the time to trick him into admitting he wants to fuck a rabbit."
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...and here's a nice gift Fuel drew for me
I hate to be the contrarian who seems like he wants to argue for no reason, but plenty of bigots have family members who are gay and merely tolerate that they are and invite them to Christmas and other holidays just because they care about the person themselves, not the thing they don't agree with. I've seen this happen with my friends and my own family. Hell, my sister told our gay cousin that she loves her but then when driving back home she tells me that she's gonna end up in hell for her sins.
My point is: inviting someone to anywhere doesn't actually mean anything. You could totally have something you're keeping to yourself just because you love the person, but not the things they do
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and another cute one, this time by ACA
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>/ztg/ reads a fancomic that makes it very clear Gwen has no bone to pick with Nick when Finnick and Clawhauser says that he's been with a bunny, approaching the subject in a gossipy and fun way rather than a vindictive tone.
>Later retcons it because political climate calls for a guy whos literally been in jail and freeing people to be put on the spotlight in spite of the story because the author made a 1k lines post on Tumblr about how interspecies relationship are actually non-heterosexual relationships by default
>Oh but it's ok because I feel like Gwen was in the right so I can really ignore the story when I identify with a character
Respectfully stick to Pack Street.
If Nick really felt that way, he would not have gone out of his way to explicitly invite both Gwen and her girlfriend to the opening of Wilde Times. It's not Christmas where someone else sets that shit up. He could've not invited them at all, but he did invite them, and had nothing bad to say. There is literally not a single shred of evidence in the entire comic that Nick is anything but the most open-minded person in the entire cast. Saying "well he COULD be a secret bigot" doesn't hold fucking water when the entire comic bends over backwards to say the exact opposite.
I'm just saying that this might be what the author was trying to go for. And I fully admit that they failed to do so. So yeah, you all make a good point, just wish it was a more leveled discussion and not angry. It would actually make admitting that you have fair points more enjoyable.
This anon over here is where I stand in all of this.
Can you please clarify what you're complaining about? I'm tired and want to make sure I understand the drama correctly.
it's my birthday now, too :v gimme that fucking cake
I think he believes everyone who reads pack street is a moron and he isn't because yes
I understand trying to "get what the author meant", but you have to understand: intent doesn't excuse the sloppy execution.
>the author made a 1k lines post on Tumblr about how interspecies relationship are actually non-heterosexual relationships by default

If you're gonna try to put politics into something at least make it good. I generally agree with these messages but the execution is terrible and it comes off as annoying. Stop it.
Which I've admitted to before dude. You just gotta look up at the posts to see it
Are you baiting?
Happy Birthday! I'm sure there's more where that slice came from.
But you were still trying to defend it, dude.

Look, let's just drop it. You can enjoy Zistopia all you like.

Me and a lot of people did too, pre-hiatus, but stopped after several things in the story soured it.

You do you, we'll do us.
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Yes, but I'm also trying to give basic writing advice. You can incorporate political subjects into things and they can be great, see 'The Wall'. But, making it too heavy handed does yourself no favors.
>Oh but it's ok because I feel like Gwen was in the right so I can really ignore the story when I identify with a character

I've said multiple times that she overreacted and projected her feelings onto a guy who was hurting. I never said she was in the right. Just that I understood where she was coming from. Let's admit it: we've all been in that place where we do irrationally idiotic things thanks to our stupid fee fees. It's okay to admit you identify with a character without actually agreeing with their actions. That's something most adults normally do when reading or watching a story play out in front of them.

Then again most people wanna be like Walter White so maybe that's why most people might not believe that others can differentiate between fiction and reality
Okay, alright. I'll drop it. Gnite to you and the thread.
Stb bunner
what a cute looking bun boy. He might as well be a girl.
I just wish they'd actually done something like acknowledge that Gwen was in the wrong.
twa literally turned her oc who had tons of fleshing in a way up to even having to drop her job as engineer in favor of fast food and backstories with nick to someone who just shouts and dumps their garbage on their friends at their weakest moment and youre supposed to clap and think youve been vindicted because shes shouting down someone whos shown in no moment they fucked with you or chastised you, whove been with you since forever, who has been going through hell in jail in a dystopic setting, running from the government, being betrayed, abandoning his life to help others and even is abandoned by his only family for it
and you clapped
what a champ
Pretty sure it was written as the author 100% supporting her, including the only way to stop her righteous fury being the collar shock.
you seem angry
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im delusional
sleep tight
Fuck yeah, now I don't need utensils or a plate.
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>platonic kissing

platonic handjob when?
Right before the platonic anal
I don't see a "platonic spending your life together and being happy"
they died shortly after F
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But anon, that's the platonic feeling of safety of being held by your best friend and falling asleep next to them every day for the rest of your life.

That's what love is.
There you go anon.
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Bullshit. That's nothing from this world, it's like a goddamn Tauntaun.
That you Batty? Who are these two cuties? Love the tail wagging.

Some true cutie maned wolves. Hope you had a rad birthday man.

Ozzy's ultra fluff is 100% canon!
>emotions means writing can be bypassed
Based, I remember when people were mad at Borba for defending himself with the same argument. IWS vs Fall Back / Power Through
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>He might as well be a girl.
>Why didn't I read this before
>Not even halfway into this chapter and it's already received a gold star in my book, holy shit.
If you've read a lot of Zoot fanfic it's absolutely astonishing how accurate and on-point the entire thing is.
That's species-swapped Al and Velvet
I am 100% into that. Thank you.
>Jack is a girl all along.

!Yes, now I can ship Jack x Nick without it being gay.
Who's the tube? Marty?
Seymoure, one of Mangneto's characters, it's birthday art the other day
You can see it, that gazelle wants to get (platonically) fucked silly but that big mongoose dick
The mongoose has no dick anymore. He's upset that it's the only thing that people judge him for so he got rid of it.
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>Seymoure gets Ozzys fluffy body for his birthday
Lucky boy, I'm kinda jealous
>Rule 63 Velvet and Al

Vel and Allison.
This one is species swapped, but I'd be down to see gender-swapped too.
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Happy birthday Lucas, wish you the best. (Please don't sue me)
It's the only way for them to stop lewding you
Sue this man! And his maned wolf!
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we doing terrifying maned wolf posts

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