/ZTG/ - Zootopia General: Winter Prep EditionPastebin: pastebin.com/iYDU8g2T Booru: zoo.booru.orgThread journal Backup: pastebin.com/GiLL5kAS ZTG Creator List: derpy.me/ztgcclistArchives: www.ztarchive.com / desuarchive.org / archive.b-stats.orgPrevious thread: https://archive.b-stats.org/trash/thread/18111886Previous thread: http://www.ztarchive.com/trash/thread/18111886Previous thread: https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/18111886TT: Urban Exploration / Abandoned Places Due Previous TT: At The Beach (Late submissions are totally cool)TT Archive: t3event.tumblr.comTT Pastebin: pastebin.com/gudYsYHL
I can't wait for winter!!
>>18142454>Freezing no matter how many clothes you have>So many layers of clothing>Rain from a refreshing thing becomes terrible>Bad weather every dayPls no
>>18142516>and it reminds you that you don't have someone to snuggle with every fucking night
>>18142454>Betty will never keep Remmy warm in her bed during a cold winter.
>>18143000TRIPS CONFIRM
>>18143190Source?
>>18143261Sorry, I saved it a lot of time ago
>>18143190>>18143261>>18143321https://twitter.com/numairiaoi
>>18143432Thanks!
I got an eight hour drive. Someone recommend an audiobook or podcast please.
>>18143542Talking Content
>>18143542Well, Comic did a couple of new readthroughs recently
There is a series I can't remember with like different animals on the cover. Post apocalyptic or something. One cover is blue and white with a husky on the front I think.
>>18143580War with no name
Borrowing it with library audiobooks. The future is grand.
Since when is Terry spice?
>>18143638What do you mean, anon?
>>18143980Why is a tube that claims to be pure so sexy?
>>18144042cuz since he isn't lewd he has time to actually work out and care about his looks.
>>18144140Are you saying that sluts are out of shape?
>>18142516>being able to add just as many layers of clothing as are needed to be comfy and warm>unlimited comfy clothing>even more comfy rain than usual>comfy weather every dayWinter is comf! Comf!
>>18144140Also good husbando material
>>18144314And nemo ends up as a used up slut. All his value is gone.
>>18144199Just stop your crusade and embrace the fact that autumn is the best
>>18144042Because you are furry degenerate
>>18144571Summer is the best! It's unbearably hot, I get to wear less clothing, and is good weather to die.
I missed the end of the last thread: did Comic say when the next GTT will be?
>>18144571Now this is an opinion I can get behind.Leaves change, weather is just right for long sleeves outside to be perfectly comfyToo bad it only lasts like two weeks where I am. And then it's like 6 months of grueling winter.
>>18142454>I can't wait for winter!!Move to Seattle -- the shit lasts like nine months here. Nine months of rainy and depressing gloom. Nine months of not seeing the sun. Nine months of weather that makes Canadians go 'What the fuck's up with your weather, eh?'To quote a certain bunny, "I love it!"
>>18145043>They think rain makes for a miserable winterYou don't understand true cold.
>Remmy will never sit between Betty's open thighs while she holds him close to her with one paw, and beats him off with the other.
Gas the predsGrass war now
>>18145446Go home Bellwether, you're drunk
>>18145446goddamn disgusting preds
>>18145446>t. stoner sheep
>>18144042That is a prohibited image
>>18146193It's not explicit. You don't see any genitals or something. He's just getting ready for work.How is this prohibited?
Pandora's Fox still best ship
>>18146529It's invasion of privacy!
>>18146931Please, there's worst things to get leaked out to the public.Like this one.
>>18146868Weird way to spell SavageHopps
ITT: we summon someone who is thought to be dead.Most dead people are actually alive and lurkdubs decide
>>18147778him
>>18147778how does the dubs decide?Like I say >I summon Meadand if it's dubs, that meas he ain't dead but lurks?or it means that he will come back from the dead because he is summoned?
Free real estatepile76.91.36.250Download Drawpile, join this room, make a layer, create the art
>>18147778Eĺvis Presley!
>>18147778david bowie
>>18147778BILLY MAYS
>>18147778:T
>>18147778I summon Inky.Plz.
>>18147778I summon whichever one(s) is/are named Joe.
>>18147902me
>>18147778Can I summon myself because people wish I was dead?
>>18147778why would i want to bring people back to new-ztg? people left for a reason
>>18148385NO!
>>18145313God I really want weaver to do a sex scene with them
>>18148533
>>18147191>Go away for some minutes, find thisDELET
happy birthday gud :V>hopefully goatmom will let you do buttstuff :v
>>18148556That ass HAS to be Femmy.
>>18149335
>>18149664>>18148556I need more Annemmy
www.furaffinity.net/view/28600704/
Last night, I had a dream where Finnick was exploring some ruins for treasure and unleashed draculas onto the world.
www.furaffinity.net/view/28598580/
With apologies to a certain l̶e̶w̶d̶ mongoose
www.deviantart.com/wintermaiden11/art/Tickles-wildehopps-calendar-762973775
>>18149885AAAAAAAAAAA
>>18149885I like this
So will GTT be today?
Good night!
Needs more incest
>>18149885>Nemo wonders if something that reaches his sternum will fit
>>18151668>>18149885I love this
>>18148418qq
>>18151755Gideon and Travis frotting
>>18151755I need some sweet tender wildehopps after the shit I witmessed the other day pls...Or a little remmy and anneke, there is not many pic with that twoThank you in advance!
>>18151755Lewd this cutie raccoon
>>18146937I don't know what she was on, but I'll have some!
For old times sake.
>>18149885When are Terry and Dexter going to frot?
>>18152254
>>18152280
>>18152294
>>18152304
>>18152318
Happy birthday!>>18149149Gud too?
>>18152324
>>18152325Yup, it's Gud birthday.
>>18152368I need to rememberFor now, goodnight /ztg/
>>18152467Snooze loose mongoose
>>18150081Best ship
>>18151755Professor Terry in >>18144042, but front facing, with a full erection.
>he deleted itgdiAnyone else taking requests, for real?
>>18152903see >>18151755
>>18153032
>>18153032>seeI do see the strikethrough, implying post deletion.But did you see the "else" part?
>>18152325>>18152467oh, thank you kindly, a_sighave a good sleep
>>18153380im not on a 4chanx browser, so i didnt see it was deletedglad to see he is still pulling this shit off and faggots are falling for it
Not him but drawpile reminder>>18147902>>18147902>>18147902
>>18153592
>>18149885Thank you!
>>18153850Damn that's a cute bune and foxo Letnim nice to still see ya kicking about.And happy birthday mr cool goat.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFRIDAY NIGHT, MOTHAFUCKAS! I'm sure you're all very busy, so take a breather and let's play a little game together! That's right, it's the 5/5 GREENTEXT CHALLENGE! Rules and new prompts below!RULES:>Reply to this post to roll; the last two digits determine your prompt>First digit chooses your object>Second digit chooses your emotion>Free Choices are picked from the listed options>Convey the emotion (without using the word) through the object>Maximum five minutes to write>Maximum of five lines>OBJECTS:1. Deodorant2. Water bottle3. Glasses4. Radio5. Fur6. Blanket7. Watch8. Phone9. Photo album0. Free Choice>EMOTIONS:1. Nostalgia2. Hurt3. Hope4. Contentment5. Smugness6. Satisfaction7. Jealousy8. Embarrassment9. Pride0. Free ChoiceARTIST CHALLENGE: Roll a prompt and draw a picture of it, or draw a picture for a completed prompt! Let's make a connection between artists and writers! You can have more than five minutes, though.HARD MODE: Use a color palette that is chosen for you! https://coolors.co/app
>18154021fuck off
>>18154051>>18154021
>>18154021roll
@18154051reddit
https://discord.gg/cSsX4Yh
18154021Not delivering.
>>18154149>Radio>Pride>Judy lay in bed, her bad leg propped up on a pillow.>Across the room, her clock radio was playing the news, which was talking about the same thing it had been talking about all day.>The hero fox and rabbit that had exposed a conspiracy and saved the city.>Even her neighbors were quiet, basking in the sudden, city-wide feeling of relief and safety; that or they were just gone.>Her phone pinged with a notification from the hero fox himself; Judy's heart swelled as she swiped to answer him.
www.furaffinity.net/view/28605602/
>>18153871source pls
>>18154946Tumblr filename...
I need more pregnant Judy
>>18147162Finnick, you asshole!
>>18154587your prayers have been heardFriday Request Streamhttps://piczel.tv/watch/ittybittykittytittysSend in requests w/ the palette also...>>18154021roll
>>18155043Autumn? and a Duvis sfw please.
>>18154946http://salaciouslx.tumblr.com/post/177364481269/busy-with-life-shit-have-a-wip
>>18155043Nick choking Charlie to 'Go Softly' pls :v also, ily ibkt
>>18155043Woohoo!Could I get a cute kit Violet with Nightmare Eyes pallet?
>>18155043IT'S SEPTEMBER!
>>18155043Jack smooching Skye with Sherbert
>>18155043Adoption AU with Abandoned Fields?
>>18155043I request you 5 5/5s
>>18155043Honey as a boxer or maybe an over the top wrestler with electric candy please
>>18155043Nick/Friedkin lewd in Nightmare Eyes please.
>>18155043Birthday good w/ Gay cactus
>>18155043al's face when there are fingers in his ass with Sweet Dreams
>>18155043Ozzy with abandoned fields pls
>>18155043How about some Skyebun and Savagefox to Go Softly
>>18155043
>>181553862nd
>>18155593Jack and Skye showing those saucer flying sissies who's boss!
>>18155043Remmy giving betty a kiss in the neck with "Go Softly"
>>18155593>celebratory sex happens later that night>big tiddy'd snake breaks through their door, unarmored, hissing>jack nuts>skye screams>snek gets glazed in bunny spunk
>>18154021A themeless roll?
>>18155752FurHurt>He was pounding his hardest now and he could hear they were both about to come.>The whole sensation was weird.>Sure, he was about to get his rocks off, but the raccoon didn't think he would try this again.>Fur was so much easier to hang onto, and a lot less pain full.>He didn't think he would ever try fucking a porcupine again.
>>18154021Two out of three...
>>18155939GlassesPride>Now they were a duo, both about to save Zootopia and make the world a better place.>Judy poured another celebratory nip for her fox.>"You know you love me carrots," he said winking at her.>"Do I know that?" she mused, grinning at him, "Yes, yes I do.">They clinked glasses.-What?That's not cheating.Prompt said glasses!
>>18154021And number threezees....
>>18156077WatchJealousy>Judy looked across at Gideon who deliberately scratched at his balls to annoy her.>She looked back to the teacher sitting up the front of the detention classroom, and then to her watch.>At least she wasn't going to have a black eye tomorrow like some dumb fox.>She tried to take solace in that, but then looked out the window as the rest of the class headed off home.>'it's not fair', she thought, 'I saved the day, and I have to stay behind!?'
>>18154182>"Do you like my drawing of a tube dude?"
>>18156242dont reply to me
>>18155043You're a rad duder Itty
>>18155043Avo and Anneke with Haunted House
>>18147778Terry A Davis
>>18147778
>>18158045stb bunner
>>18158045Have a comfy snooze man.
Famished, HYDRATE.
absolutely madhttps://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5b909801af13a
>>18148385Why do people want you dead, squirrel
>>18149885Holy shit man.
>>18158972I have drawn some pictures before that upset people. Even over a year later some anons hold a grudge.
>>18153871>these aren't my glasses
STREAM STUFF
>>18159080I don't want you dead, squirrel man. Keep making amazing art
>>18159080tell them to go eat shit.
>>18142454ENHANCE
>>18159311>>18159320Damn Itty these are so damn good! Thank you very much for the cute Violet, poor cutie always needs more love! Big brother Nick helping his sis with her candy issue is also adorable.And love that Gud, especially his super floppy ears. I hope he see's it and loves it.
>>18158648AND she took the knot!
>>18159311Cause a stir and have a little white trickle from Judy's mouth.
>>18147778I summon Dark Magician
>>18153881Is this how you browse /ztg/ ? in your underwear?you're disgusting.
>>18153881>>18159794>Still got his underwear on?Pfft, amateur.
>>18159794You got me. I actually browse in the nude, but I add underwear in the pictures so people will not yell at me.
>>18159930>I add underwear in the pictures so people will not yell at me.And now i yell at you for doing that. you are a cruel squirrel for doing that.
Reposting for the new thread!A delivery mammal in Zootopia is expected to get packages from anywhere to anywhere, but there's an amazing amount of places "anywhere" could be. From all the way up the Canopy District, you can see most of those places! Unless, of course, you're afraid of heights. Will this poor mammal be able to deliver his parcel to its lofty loft, or will be his delivery be grounded? Find out in Vertigo, by Blipper!Text here:https://pastebin.com/SNcQbJsX Blind read through here:https://soundcloud.com/comicanon/vertigoA little rain never hurt anyone, but it does make it hard for a bat to fly. Luckily, the technological wonderland that is Zootopia has plenty of modern means of achieving flight! Will our batty MC be able to brave the storm in the comfort of their first-class seat, or will they be sent through a whirlwind ride? Find out in Aerial Alternatives, by Blipper!Text here:https://pastebin.com/WBKXf70N Blind read through here:https://soundcloud.com/comicanon/aerial-alternatives>>18144832>>18150483Ahh, today I had a bit of an emergency and had to take care of a friend. GTT will be on Monday! Still getting people invited to it, but I have seem to have solved my internet problems. More info when I get it!And I'm exhausted, so I promise to catch up and do another read through tomorrow.Goodnight, magical and wonderful /ztp/ threads! I hope you can help your friends up when they're down-- especially if you're a really tall mammal and they're small.
>>18159930You pervo! You should at least put on your socks!
>>18160011>Monday night GTT YALL!Nice! Can't wait Mr bun bun, hope you have a good sleep and a great weekend.
>>18159311I don't know how I manage to get Itty to take all my requests but damn I ain't complaining
>>18159930I'll forgive you if you sit on my lap
>>18159930I want to snuggle with this squirrel. He is not for bullying.
>>18152232source?
>>18159930When you sit with terry while browsing ztg, do you prefer your underwear or without?
>>18160818www.furaffinity.net/view/28604901/
>>18161092Whatever he wants me to wear! He is into bondage recently. He keeps talking about a "restraining order."
>>18159465They told me that you should suck a dick instead
>>18161272Can i suck your dick then?
>>18161712No, we need to get Precy off dick. Its very addicting and might get him killed. He needs his dose of pussy, and the only female tube he's comfortable with is Caitlin
good lord and the erp opens the weekend with a blast
>>18149885Forget the squirrel, with a dick that size he should be able to please much bigger mammals, both female and male.
I wanna draw a character. But who? Maybe an OC for once. Thread?
>>18159320Violet is cute as fuck :v
>>18161973Suggestions: Stoutwell, professor Terry, Desmond and Molly
>>18161991Pics of Stoutwell quick!
It's been a while since we've had Nay Gick.
>>18162033
>>18161997
>>18162096
>>18162096>>18162106I don't know if I can trust this police officer, just something very off about him...
>>18162130Oh my God anon, you can't ask raccoons why they are masked
>>18154021Rollan 1/5
>>18154799Stripper tiger art is becoming rare...I hate it. More tiger bois.
>>18162347
>>18162337>Glasses>Jealousy>Something ugly burned in Judy's stomach as she watched Nick talking with her older sister.>Violet held back snorts as Nick made a bawdy joke, and the frown that Judy was trying to hide deepened.>The sick feeling burned especially hot when Nick snatched Violet's glasses and put them on, nearly going cross-eyed.>Judy loved that Nick was good with her family, really she did.>She just hated that he got along with one sister in particular.
>>18154021Rollan 2/5
>>18162398>Photo album>Embarrassment>Judy had never regretted so much the fact that her parents catalogued every moment they could of their massive family's lives.>Her parents were sitting with her boyfriend on the couch, going over every picture they could find from their library of photo albums that had her in it.>Nick, of course, was eating it up and asking for more.>Turnabout was fair play, of course; she'd been in Nick's seat not that long ago when they had visited Nick's mother.>When she heard the words "festival play" and "recorded," though, the line was crossed, and with a squeak she leapt out of her seat to stop a train wreck from turning into a calamity.
>>18154021Rollan 3/5
>>18162347>>18162364I guees this is the perfect example of a monkey's paw wish
>>18162444>Radio>Contentment>The radio was a soft murmur in the corner of the room, competing with the gentle falling of rain.>A cool breeze swept through every couple of minutes, brushing through her fur.>Judy stirred in the dark, blinking sleep out of her eyes and glancing at the clock.>3:23 AM, Saturday morning.>With nowhere to be for another two days, she rolled over and buried herself back into the warm fur of the slim fox sleeping next to her.
>>18162391Don't worry Judy, Nick just wants to try your sister's glasses (and pussy)
>>18162364>the rainbow stripesFuck me this makes me cringe
>>18162488christ above why did you have to mention them, I didn't notice them at first
>>18162463have something better
>>18162804
>>18162804>>18162807
>>18162040Okay, that's enough Nay Gick for a month
>>18162821
>>18162488How else will people know that he's gay?
>>18162827Why is Gideon in there?
>>18162841
>>18162841A more proper question would be: Why Gideon at all?
>>18162850Cease and desist!
>>18162862
>>18160147>You should at least put on your socksDon't you mean sock?Keeps the keyboard clean.
>>18162488>the rainbow stripesTo say nothing of the human dicks and the tit less female.OK, just read that back.Yep, I'm messed up.
>>18154021Rollan 4/5
>>18163264>Blanket>Contentment>Snow was falling quietly outside, as it had been for the last several days.>As a result, the Hopps Clan had ceased just about all activity outside--save for the watch, and patrols.>Rabbit burrows were comfortable, but even with its many fireplaces, it was not immune to the biting cold of winter.>The fires went cold at night, and the many rabbits retreated to their rooms, curling close to one another under heavy cloths to share warmth and spare their limited supplies of firewood.>As Lead Ranger, Judith's position was the most favorable, resting in the arms of the family fox every night, surrounded by the comforting breaths of her family, all seeking the warmth of the larger mammal under the blankets.
>>18154021Rollan 5/5
>>18163359>Fur>Pride>Of all his predatory attributes, it was Nicholas' fur that he liked best.>His claws and teeth had separated him from the Hopps Clan since he was young; while they no longer feared him, neither would he ever truly be "safe.">It did not help that he was used in battle by the Clan, armored and sent to war against other clans to establish territory and to pilfer resources.>But in the winter, when the forests were quieted by the snowfall, he was not simply a predator or a weapon.>In the darkness of cold winter nights, when Judith and Nicholas established their camp and huddled together so she might escape the chill, she would run her paws through the thick, warm fur that she loved so much and offered sweet whispers to the fox she had claimed as her own.Internet died as I was typing, kek
>>18163458No excuse, it's more than five minutes!Also here >>18163346 ! You're worse than Otterly!
>>18163532Three out of five means I'm still three times better than Otterly
>>18163890She'll have to find it first.
www.deviantart.com/lucky13spirits/art/Wonderfall-763073897
>>18163890Source?
>>18163890We need more of her
>>18164434https://twitter.com/SpottySTC/status/1038377393268969473
>>18164547>WITCHCRAFT!
>>18164547WHERE DID BUNE GO
>>18164794Bune is gone, anon.There is nothing you can do.
>>18165341What if I ask really nicely?
>>18165473
>>18165484But only when Jack is watching
>>18165341But what if i want the weasel instead?
>>18163346This is an interesting premise.
>>18165341>>18165473>>18165484>>18165625Green where duke asks judy really nicely when
>>18162831Wait that mean's he's gay?!?
>>18165712Allow me to bust out an ancient classic that resulted in another ancient classic
I want nick to softly nibble judy’s ear while he is sleeping and this makes it hard for judy to sleep but she doesnt want him to stop
Blankety Blankpile76.91.36.250Download Drawpile, join this room, make a layer, create the artAnd vote on these themes for the next onehttps://linkto.run/p/WBWGE5K7
>>18163890>Soon, ZNN started airing appreciation stories about the ZPD.>Oddly enough, no matter who was the subject, a good portion of the story had Ms. Growley interview a rather rotund cheetah, almost as if she's using the story as an excuse to see him....
>>18166684this would be soooo cute, if based on most canon and semi-canon sources Clawhauser wouldn't be an imbecile, who totally misunderstands stuff on regular basis, gets sidetracked and changes to totally unrelevant subjects, and eats paint. It hurts because I really want to like Clawhauser but he is basically portrayed as a fat Jar-Jar Binks of the ZPD
Perish
>>18167117Go ahead. A bun this cute wouldn't have the guts.
>>18164547
>>18167390>Objective: RUN
>>18167390>the real trick is how she makes you disappear
>>18167390Fuel you are a treasure!
>>18167390
>>18167390Cute, a magic trickHOLYSHITSHEHASAGUN
>>18167533dumbfuck
Hello furfags, I am searching for that one Zootopia doujin/ comic with domestic issues between Judy and Nick. Anyone know which one I am referring to? The one on e/ exhentai with Nick looking furious on one page and Judy crying?
>>18167917Nope,I have no idea what are you talking about.
>>18167917Sounds like a real abortion of a comic
>>18167917https://www.deviantart.com/borba/art/I-Will-Survive-01-669500569
>>18167917The one where they're arguing about Arbys?
>>18167917
>>18167917sounds like "I will (not) survive"
>>18167917Might be a thegorysaint one
>>18167390Fuel, this is such a cute Judy
>>18167891cringe
>>18168001>>18168037>>18168052Thanks, that was it.This page is white and based.
Hey, while we're dredging up horrible shit better left forgotten...
>>18168285Lemme get in on that action!
>>18168285Becca and max midnight done by borba when
>>18168285>>18168314>>18168316
>>18168328Featuring invited guest artist Disclaimer!
>>18168285>/ztg/ shat on Spin for obsessing over her fursonas over zootopia>/ztg/ now obsesses over fursonas over zootopia while Spintherella moved on with her life.Kino.
>>18168316>whenFuck I hope never
>>18168354>Anon tries too hard to trollSee me after classes.
>>18168354>moved on with her lifelol
Anyone have that Al/Remmy prey pred fapfic? I need it for reasons
>>18168285You're just jealous of that chiseled chin and cheekbonesThis is what true beauty looks like
>>18168375>lewd tuber mongoose squirrel nutboy my skunk wolf harem... so spicy...Who will play Comic in the inevitable /ztg/ biopic?
>>18168251Its a cringy insertion of the writers point of view into the character. Judy did nothing for her "career" she did stuff to have a chance at helping others. Her motivation is to make "the world a better place" not "become a star cop". It was and always will be a shitty biased comic with no legitimate reasoning why these characters act so out-of-character. The end
>>18168328
>>18168400
>>18168354> Spintherella moved on with her life.>still working on itNext you gonna tell me aoi invented jack savage
>>18168412bluepilled
>>18168328I have this, does it count?
>>18168477
>>18168432dramaqueen
>>18168519cringe
>>18168528that's what that comic was
>>18168540comic was based
>>18168592"Has some kink of mental illness" should be counted as the free space.
>>18168592How is being gay edgy
>>18168817How is having scars edgy
>>18168668>biasetftfyseriously based on what? how to be a totally shitty writer who clearly only portray one side of an argument?Yeah, brake ups happens, yeah, not every woman wants a baby, yeah maybe it's murder even if the fetus doesn't even realize it's being exterminated, BUTnot every woman does this for their career and not every man who is against abortion is a religious bigot who will leave his love because of it.borba himself said that he had an idea for a "brake up abortion drama" thing before zootopia came out, he just used Judy's and Nick's images because they were popular at the moment at the best way to get his "message" and writing to the most of people. Only thing is, his message is biaset and he twisted out the characters to make them convey it.I could write a 30 page essay on how this comic gets everything wrong about the characters, the theme and the overall message
>>18168873Stop replying to bait
>>18168849Venom Snake looks hot as fuck but his design is incredibly edgy, let's be real here
bump
>>18154021roll.
>>18168592>2ndary color is super saturated green, red, blueshould be the free space
>>18169047theres a difference between being pointlessly edgy and telling the story through character design.
>>18169166He literally has a demon horn that gets bigger the more you kill people
>>18169105>Fur (Free Choice)>Smugness>The storm came in a flash, a sudden downpour on their way home.>They didn't have any umbrellas to cover themselves, nor any jackets.>By the time they got to their apartment, both fox and rabbit were soaked to the bone.>Judy would need a towel to get dry, while Nick...>He merely grinned as he shook his entire body, throwing off all the water from his fur.
>>18169166still edgy, just it's the good kind
>>18169191Which is consistent with the theme of the game.
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/28609028/
page 10!!
>>18169204cute and accurate
>>18168314that was random. The art is great, but why did she suddenly get psychotic?
someone other than me make a new thread v:<
