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Good night /ztg/
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good night anon
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Sleep tight bunner!
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>>14554111
>spicy Nick trips

Is this a sign?
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>>14554462
>Not even trips can say no to this fox
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>>14554540
>やだニック!ずぶ濡れじゃない!!
>はやく脱ぐ!
Judy: "Oh no, Nick! You're all soaking wet!!
Quickly, take your clothes off!"
>えらく積極的じゃないか、にんじん。
>・・・あのー、自分で脱げるんですが?
Nick: "You're being awfully assertive, Carrots.
... Um, I'm perfectly capable of taking these off myself, y'know?"
>つべこべ言わない
Judy: "Stop complaining"
>ぐぐぐぐ・・・
SFX: gugugugu... (Judy yanking on his tie)
>ちょ、ちょっとジュディさん・・・?それ以上は(ヤバイ)
Nick: "Ho-hold on, Judy...? Any more than that is (uh-oh)" (TN: the parenthesized stuff is being whispered)
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dead is thread
now no one can make fun of me for liking Remmy
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Writer's workshop is finished, and its only almost 4AM!

I'm doing something wrong.

>>14554636
You like Remmy all you want, buddy. He's a good sheep, and a lot of people are rooting for him.

Goodnight, magical and wonderful /ztp/ threads. You're good, and a lot of people are rooting for you.
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>>14554642
>4AM!
>I'm doing something wrong.
Indeed, you need sleep
Sleep tight bunner
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>>14554636
faggot
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Anons of the dead hours!
I just want to say thanks to anons here that inspire me, to TB for being here always helpful with Japanese content and Popo for typesetting it, to Comic and TTanon for holding events like GTT, TC and TT that unite the thread, to Trashy for his comfy streams, drawpileanon for drawpiles and Smug for 5/5, to P&P and Seizure and Nobby for being here with their drawings, that inspire me not to slack off and to strive to improve.
And you anons?
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>>14554636
not like this cesspool is ever not dead
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>>14554890
I'm glad the transphobic posts died down.
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>>14554890
Numbers draws gay stuff sometimes and I miss him dearly
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>>14554890
i'm glad pack street is still around to make coming here a good idea
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>>14554890
I'm grateful for this movie and these threads. Together, they've gotten me back into writing, and as a result I've begun making money off of my writing and typing skills. /ztg/ is, literally, directly responsible for my current methods of income. I love you guys.
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>>14554890
Aw, shucks

I'm thankful for PoPo and their typesetting, the anon/s who find new stuff for me to translate, Japanese CCs for making new content to translate, Trashy for great streams, and the fact that after nearly two years of being here the comf still hasn't left

Let's keep this going
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>>14554983
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>>14554990
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>>14554995
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>>14554985
>the anon/s who find new stuff for me to translate, Japanese CCs for making new content to translate
Of course, since this is directly harming their sales of their work.
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>>14554969
>>14554980
>>14554990
Source?
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>>14554616


I need to find a font of shaky-like text, because this font looks nothing like the japanese text.
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>>14555001
I've gone out of my way to make sure I don't make the "ahiru" mistake again; everything I post on my tumblr is now either a reblog from the artist themselves or only after I've specifically asked them if it was okay to do so. That, and I make sure not to post anything that wasn't already posted publicly for free on Twitter/Pixiv.
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>>14555013
Though you still translate doujins that are posted here, giving a reason for people like Bread to rip off said content. I'm just saying it's a one-way street.
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>>14555023
Admittedly you do have me there

Curse my sense of curiosity and desire to translate, I guess
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>>14554962
>>14554969
Source?
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wolter a cute
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>>14555023
Bread actually buys them, though. Until they start putting out their own officially translated versions I really can't see it as an issue. They're still selling a bunch of books at their conventions or whatever.
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>>14555106
And distributes the UNTRANSLATED version over the internet as raws to be translated, if you see no issue with that, then I literally can't help you.
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>>14555121
In a single thread on an unlisted board of a taiwanese kickboxing forum. Frankly if there's any japanese natives here just to snag raws a couple of times a month at best then props to them for actually finding the place. I do not believe for a second that translating these here has affected, in the slightest, the actual market that the japanese CCs are making money from.
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>>14555143
Considering I see these float around e-hentai and other redistribution platforms where japanese users are common instantly, I guess the point became less "whats wrong with redistribution" and more "lol fuck them". Not like it was ever any different but I feel a relieve you guys aren't putting the good guy facade anymore.
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>>14555143
You're implying that a lot of us would go out of our way to buy doujins if bread didn't post them here.
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>>14555164
Right, right. Big bad americans are the only ones who pirate. Those couldn't possibly come from actual japanese people who do the exact same thing, no sirree. Filthy western gaijin are the root of all evil.
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>>14555178
I'm stating the exact opposite.
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>>14555208
Whoops, I linked the wrong post.
meant for >>14555121
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>>14555152
This unfortunately falls into commission-length

However, I can give a real quick summary
>Fangmeyer brags about scratching/biting during sex, Nick and Judy try it out
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>>14555194
Not actually addressing arguments and instead choosing to strawman. Please have some dignity to just stick to what you do without desperately trying to defend your behavior.
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>>14555214
How are you, though? Do you think japanese users ignore bread links for some reason?
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>nikomi_otaku lists her location as "The ZPD's toilet" on Twitter

Good to know she thinks highly of herself
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>>14555223
If you had a point there would be an argument. Prove that we, this thread specifically, are damaging their profits in any way. Until then you're just whining.
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>>14555249
Just ignore him, that anon is always looking to stir shit and will samefag to "reinforce" whatever his current "point" is.
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>>14555236
Do you think /trash/ is filled with the japanese?
Why would any one of them come as far as a western site when there are many other eastern sites that will do the same thing?
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>>14555249
>Prove what doujin artists have been tirelessly saying since the beginning of their existance else you're just whining.
Unsurprising to see this from TB but I will bite. Why do you think so many artists try to paywall their stuff? Do you honestly think if it made no difference how many people redistributed their stuff they would go through all the work to keep that from happening? You can't do much when people literally scan your stuff as a small artist but the amount of "Please do not redistribute" written and TRANSLATED in said comics cannot have been missed by you.
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>>14555121
>>14555164
I've made a search. The number of Zootopia doujinshi on e-hentai put on by Bread can be literally counted on the fingers of one hand, among tens of them there.
Also it is interesting how you completely glossed over the fact that these authors are making money out of a copyrighted work, without paying royalties whatsoever.
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>>14555270
Filled? No, I doubt even one comes here. e-h? Probably, considering they take CH and KR content from there, and people post bread stuff in mere minutes after it's dumped here (or even himself, iirc).
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>Unsurprising to see this from TB
Try again, Anon-kun.
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>>14555280
Not TB

uhmmm.. are you complaining that people "steal" from other people who "steal"?

Doujin artists are literately making money by using characters that doesn't belong to them, in their own work.

If the artists doesn't care about copyright, then they shouldn't have any issues either when others shares their work for free.
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>>14555300
>If the artists doesn't care about copyright, then they shouldn't have any issues either when others shares their work for free.
Bingo, Disney never gave them permission to make porn or their characters, much less sell it.
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>>14555292
>Out of tens, Bread redistributed a lot of them, but not all, it's fine.
Not sure if this is sarcasm.

>Also it is interesting how you completely glossed over the fact that these authors are making money out of a copyrighted work, without paying royalties whatsoever.
If they're legally allowed to do so, I see no problem with it. They go through their own hoops for it. Or are you going to act like you're just stealing from illegal content that just becomes illegal so you can get it for free?
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>>14555280
>Unsurprising to see this from TB
>This aggressive, pretentious comment
>Also when it is obvious that it wasn't TB replying, following the chain of replies
And now we have the proof that you are only trying to stir shit.
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>>14555280
>how dare artists lose nonexistent sales from people they don't cater to REEEEEEEEE
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>>14555337
Please keep up with the discussion, the short bus left minutes ago.
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>>14555316
Nice draws Flak, it's good to see you again. I especially like that Avo and Wolter.
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>>14555343
Anon, please go back to /v/. You'll get all the ebin (You)s you could ever want there and it'll take a lot less effort than bitching about an extremely small niche being filled.
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>>14555005
Reminds me of weavers comic where Nick shows up drunk
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>>14555343
Very nice evasive maneuver.
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>the lost sale fallacy
Dude if we cant read it we wouldnt have bought it in the first place, and since most of the time they dont translate their own work we arent their market

But nice try trying to guiltrip TB who makes them available to us, dude.

If they pull official english versions then i will buy every single comic i have read here, now kindly fuck of with you faux moral, we know you are only trying to fuck with TB
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>>14555300
>If the artists doesn't care about copyright, then they shouldn't have any issues either when others shares their work for free.
Except they do and they have a literal event to make money off of it without claiming ownership of said IPs. It's a way to make money as a upcoming artist without too much following. And I get the mind gymnastics you want to pull that the evul artists r stealing from poor disney so you can have professional work tier content for free but doesn't change you're going around redistributing something that was sold with the intent of not being redistributed digitally and doing so.
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>>14555280
once again no matter what you think you have to consider the following hard facts

Piracy is never going to stop
people are going to leak your shit if there is demand
Despite these facts the rug isn't going to fall out from under you just because someone posts your shit on YP, it never has and it never will
The only "Victims"here are people who are obsessive over making sure they have total control over the digital files that can be freely downloaded and reuploaded anywhere, and in both cases shut down their accounts of their own free will

Focus on improving your art, your business model, and general relations with your fans, and you will do just fine. Dancing around pirates will only make people try harder to dance around your protections, and it's just a waste of time for everyone involved.

Please
Kill yourself
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If whiner really wants a crusade he should look at all the literally stolen art used on YouTube where people are making actual money.
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>>14555391
Oh, I remember that shit. What was their name? Nickslickwilde?
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>>14555316
Hey Flak, nice to see you!
And nice cuties!

>>14555324
>Out of tens, Bread redistributed a lot of them, but not all, it's fine.
>Not sure if this is sarcasm.
Anon, I don't know which math you use, but five-six out of tens is not "a lot".

>If they're legally allowed to do so, I see no problem with it
But they're not. Do you think Disney is giving them the possibility to legally sell porn manga of its products? They're illegal and a violation of copyright law.
Also this >>14555372
"Lost sales!" is a fallacy, and it was recognized as such also in court (2009 court case, United States v. Dove).
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>>14555374
I'd argue with you, but Patreon and other things like furry content leak sites and hoops people make like removing said content from e621 kinda already prove you wrong with real life examples, so I'm not sure whether you're trolling or just not paying enough attention.

>>14555370
If you can't read something it doesn't mean you should pick it up and redistribute to everyone to see if someone can not only translate it for you but share the translated and untranslated version of a work for free to the entire world.
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>>14555408
They're legal where they're being produced, and if your logic really is "fuck them it shouldve been free", then what is the point of your pretending you're not fucking them over?
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>>14555412
You sound like the MPAA RIAA. Look, distributing a japanese comic to an english only speaking audience does not translate to a lost sale, It's as simple as that. Furthermore it can actually increase awareness of the artist which could actually result in that artist making more sales then they did before to an audience there previously wasn't a demand from.
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>>14555419
>They're legal where they're being produced

That's debatable considering it kind of stretches fair use to its breaking point. If they tried to sell those mangas in the US they'd get hit with a cease and desist faster then you can say impending lawsuit
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>>14555412
> removing said content from e621
If you're implying that people steal art from e621, l should point out that less than ten percent of the art put there is uploaded by the artist.

If the Eastern artists were worried about Western sales, they would be more actively looking into translation, which would probably make money for TB.
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>>14555412

It also doesnt mean you shouldnt

If there is a market and they arent taking steps to exploit it then yes it means they werent going to get a sale

It is of no consecuence if you are really this desperate to get them to sell to us then tell authors to hire the guy translating their works

Now ill stop responding to your obvoius attempts to fuck with tb

Really you are no better than the fucking writer league thing in FF.net reporting and annoying people for having bits of songs lyrics, just an autist with lots of time with the need to fuck with someone doing what they themself cant
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It kind of silently drives me up a wall that there's hardly any art of Nick in uniform, especially when he's doing cop stuff with Judy.
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>MUhhhh you stole from the poor artist!!! muhhh
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>>14555472
Which basically negates you whole argument.
See >>14555455
Technically we're promoting their work.
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>>14555496
Indeed, also of Judy in "normal" ZPD uniform
Or other uniforms
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>>14555496
Meh, Riggs didn't bother putting on his uniform either
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>>14555496
I hear you, and I agree. But, at the same time, can you blame them? Nick looks good in literally anything. Also nothing.
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>>14555488
I loathe the use of song lyrics in fanfiction.
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>>14555496
Mostly because it is his alternate attire, since he wears the goudy shirt for most of the movie then people remember that more

If we get zoot 2 maybe he will have more screen time in uniform
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I wanna boop Remmys snoot
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>>14555515
I do too but is just poor writing and not worth of mass reporting them to remove it
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>>14555515
There can be a time and a place for everything anon.
Oops, I suppose you loathe cliches as well.
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Dick the nick
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>>14555496
I'm bugged out by how much art has Judy in her cop uniform when she is doing just normal stuff with Nick.

I get it, it is skin tight and shows off her curves and ass, but I would like to see more casual dress/farmer clothes Judy.
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>>14555534
It's also not against the rules.
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>>14555548
Which makes it more annoying how there is a bunch a guys that literally go around getting fics taken down because of it
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I want to marry Nick
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>>14555570
You cant he isnt real and he is for judy(also not real)
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People notice and comment on Nick's clothing in the movie¿
I just watched the action and listened to the dialogue.
Guess I'm just not gay enough yet.
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>>14555563
I've actually talked to one of the guys who's part of it, Venomheart. Dude literally admitted straight-up that he only enforces the "rules" on fics he doesn't like.
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>>14555579
I want to hold hands with him instead.
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>>14555536
I can handle cliches, but song lyrics snap me out of any immersion I had in the story.
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>>14555503
You do realize you referenced me to myself right?

There is a difference between Disney and a small artist who utilizes Disney's characters to make a profit. One is creating new intellectual properties, the other seeking to benefit from that IP without even involving Disney. Manga artists in Japan using other peoples IPs in their comics and selling them for profit somehow meet the definition of fair use but that could change at anytime as its already at the very edge of the law there. Disney however can bring up intellectual property claim if those artists try to sell those comics in countries with stricter IP laws such as the US.

Just pointing that out.
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>>14555588
Disgusting but not surprising
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>>14555587
Delishus bait
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>>14555597
I want it too but he still isnt real, we can hold hands instead
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>>14555496
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>>14555611
Awww anon, you're so sweet.
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jude and nick baby aint nothin but mammals
so they do it like they do on the discovery channel
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>>14555526
and more merch with him in the uniform!
>and inside the bunny, of course
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>>14555513
>Nick looks good in literally anything
Call me an idiot, but the fact that both Judy and Nick look good in whichever clothes they've got was one of the reasons why I began a diet and going to the gym. It reminded me of a quote attributed to Socrates: "No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable."
This, together with other things in the film like Judy's training, the speech about trying, etc. have really helped me change my life for the better.
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>>14555299
So~ does anyon have that image in a more reasonable solution?
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>>14555649
Pretty sure that's the resolution it came in because it was on a drawpile
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>>14555316
awesome!
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>>14555649
Depends on your preference. I've got distilled water, ethanol, paraffin, hexane...
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>>14555644
You’re a gem anon
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>>14555667
Caaaaaarlos
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>>14555689
What? Can't handle the pun-ishment?
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>>14555706
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>>14555706
I'm going to find you and hold your hand.
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>>14555709
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>>14555702
Aaaaaaahhhh
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>>14555940
who cares tell me when there is charlie, betty or pandora
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>All these comics of slut Judy and gay Nick
>Sadly no comics of man slut Nick fucking a bunch of women
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>>14556079
make one you dumbass
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>>14556079
>no hyper all_the_way_through penetration living_condom porn of Nick going all the way through Mrs. Otterton and fucking Judy's mouth and then using her as a living condom to fuck his mom
why even live
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>>14556079
> man slut Nick fucking a bunch of women

Nick is a classy guy, he will never stoop that low!
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>>14556108
This is ztg where people bitch about offsite content and produce nothing but shitposting.
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>>14556079
Also no comics feature a version of Nick who is in denial even though other gay men pick up on all the signals he puts out unconsciously
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>>14556317
Wasn't that a fic?
It was breddy gud
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>>14556079
Also no comics feature Nick accidentally on purpose fucking his mom
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>>14556483
remmy betty sheepdog please
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>>14556217
Source?
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>>14556477
>accidentally on purpose
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>>14556483
How about Judy with a straight face, no expression
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>>14555709
...But can't I have both?
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One day you will awake, and realize you've wasted the last two years of your life, spending all your time in these generals, autisticly chatting it up about other people's OCs, while you sketch lewds of animal characters while denying you are a "furry".
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>>14556595
>>>/b/
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>>14556516
Here you go: https://twitter.com/Nya_mooon/status/731404097555812354
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>>14556603
In denial.
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>>14556609
Thanks
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>>14556595
I've wasted years playing video games, I mean literal years. If you add up the hours played of my entire steam list its well over 8760. Do I care? Not one bit because I don't believe in the concept of a wasted life. Life is simply what you make it, its yours to do with as you please.
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>>14556595
this but with judy please

>>14556677
>Do I care?
youre replying and defending/justifying your position lmao
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>>14556595
What's with armchair psychology and these threads? People always pull it when trying to shit on the shitstirrer who's been here for years not giving a fuck about hurt feelings but it's kinda worried when people try to shitstir with it.
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>>14556705
I never bothered to try to justify my position, I pointed out that I like sink my time into video games for periods some people would consider excessive then shared the fact that I don't believe in the concept of a wasted life without backing that belief up to you.

Why would I do that? To point out how unlikely it'd be for me to feel like I wasted anything lurking these threads for two years and however long I continue to lurk in the future.
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>>14556759
tldr i swear idc mom
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>>14556595
I do not spend all my time in these generals, I talk about a few OC's (mostly pack street), I don't draw lewds but i do draw other animal characters and I do not in any way shape or form deny any allegations of being a furry.

My life is currently looking better than it has ever done, it isn't because of these threads nor is it in spite of them.
If you are so dysfunctional they you cannot spend time on one board, in one thread without making it the be all end all of your whole existence then I suggest seeking professional help.
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>>14556776
>I talk about a few OC's (mostly pack street)
Pretty much me too, not sure why people keep acting like others OC's are even fleshed out enough to be characters rather than porn props.
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>>14556775
You wish I were your mom.
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>>14556792
Some are, but you'd have to drill their creators to know that.
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>>14556796
>That image
Was that trainweck of a comic abandoned?
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>>14556849
lol, you think the creator of that is smart enough to cut their losses?
Or even quit while they're ahead?
No, no is the answer to ALL these questions.
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>>14555316
love that charlie
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>>14556483
i think upping the contrast, and adding darker shadows would make it look better
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>>14556838
>Some are
Every OC is a super fleshed out character in their creator head, that's how the creator head get so big they think we care about them as characters even when we don't even know 1% of their ""unrealized"" potential.
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>Finally have a TT idea
>Don't have nearly enough time to write it
Dammit,
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>>14556934
You say that as if TT has a time limit
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>>14556955
I mean, fair, I can still definitely write it. It just won't be out until like, next Thursday.
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>>14556595
>denying you are a "furry"
Lmao does anyone here actually do this
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>>14556934
These blogposts are positively infuriating. Fucking cool, amazing dude, you didn't do something because time, who are you? who cares heres your attention, at least get an avatar like MrEanon so these threads go 1 more on image limit.
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>>14556872
It wouldn't have been so bad had they not lulled everybody into thinking it was a Judy and Nick centered story before immediately making it all about their Gary Stue OC. Wonky inconsistent art style for Max aside had they simply started with it being about Max (maybe constantly harassing the ZPD to find his girlfriend) then introduced Judy not as a friend but just an officer wanting to solve a cold case with the help of her partner that nobody else wanted to touch; it would at least have been palatable. Hell it even would have been a better set up to Nick and Judy slowly becoming more intimate and cut that stupid bitch bunny out of the story completely.
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>>14556900
https://imgur.com/a/B8FHP how bout this? didnt want to repost the image again so heres just an imgur link.
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Have things seemed pretty shitposty around here to anybody else these past two days or so? Usually it only comes in fits and starts, but it feels pretty consistent lately.
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>>14557029
better. when you have a single light source like that you can use it to make a very striking picture that sticks out with dramatic lighting. imo anyway
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Have things seemed pretty gay around here to anybody else these past two days or so? Usually it only comes in fits and starts, but it feels pretty consistent lately.
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>>14557085
If you're not gay for Pack Street characters exclusively, get the fuck out, my man
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>>14557054
Usually you see some shitposting at these hours (it's USA waking time, right?) but yeah, there is a little more.
Strange, I have a deja vu of something similar happening same period last year
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>>14557201
No, it's USA wanking time.
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>>14557188
Hey gote, nice to see you.
How's going?
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>>14557201
Well that's my point. Normally it's only during dead hours and the morning, but it seems like it went on steadily all day yesterday, and appears to be continuing on today.
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>>14557008
Go whine about it on the dA.
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>>14557185
Gay is the only thing that canon zoot is still good for.
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Finally got away from the siren call of newly updated vidyer

Should have more time tomorrow for translatin', unless I succumb to vidya once more
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charmy
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>>14557367
shawarmy
shawarma
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>>14557367
is
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>>14557302
Sleep tight bear
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>>14557278
Take it you are an actual fan of the comic then
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>>14557472
Just sick of do nothings shitting on every content produced by CCs from outside the thread on the thread trying their hardest to act like they're not just shitting to feel better about their non-non-existent content.
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>>14557495
Oh and what exactly have you created? Also why are you defending an egotistical asshole like Spin? For the record I offered constructive critism to them on dA and they banned me from posting on their channel for it, all for pointing out that Max's scar locations were getting inconsistent in some frames, and that was before Max started slowly turning Sylvester Stallone
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>>14557495
Bruh, a great deal of us believe that the comic is the shits, and that the gal behind it is a bit of a headcase. Who voices these opinions is of no consequence. What matters is that they have some basis in reality.
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>>14557577
>>14557596

I'm not creating shit but I'm not constantly shitting on every content that is produced from other sites because their creators aren't here. Seriously people rip on Itty and Baron and the moment they come here people start acting like they never did so. Every week you guys are patiently waiting for the next big project to update to shit on it, be it a dumb porn comic, Savage Company or a fic that just updated, the only discerning factor is if the creator is part of this community. It's fair game to constantly shit on artists who can't draw perfect or on model Judy but all the artists that scribble ten minute sketches here that barely even look Zootopia suddenly is alright.
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>>14557663
>constantly

This is the first time I've ever even seen the damn thing mentioned in quite some time
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>>14557663
>Savage Company

I love Savage company but some of the art needs work, when I shit on it I do it out of love
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>>14557663
Seriously dude, go eat something sweet. Your blood sugar must be near the floor if you are taking things this seriously.
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>>14557663
I've never seen anybody rip on Itty, and SavCo is both praised and derided around here depending on what aspects of the thing you're discussing. Generally speaking, the art is seen as good, though not without its flaws, and yitexity is acknowledged to have made phenomenal improvement in the time he's been doing this. Conversely, the plot is regarded as somewhat meandering, and most everybody agrees that the strange military subplot detracts from the whole thing.

These are the common threads I see when the comic is being discussed, but rarely do I see anybody just outright bag on it without justification, and never have I seen anybody say explicitly that they hate it or its creator solely because they aren't "ours".
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>>14557663
Not either of those anons, but I think you are tarring everything with the same brush, when it is not true.
On Itty, the only complain I've ever heard of, Of which, I admit, I was part too, was the ever shrinking Kris. And still I told him when I was here in the threads.
Anons have told various times here in the threads to Baron to fix those muzzles, time and time again.
Savage Company in general here is appreciated, the only major complain is the forced militaary things put into it. Also several times I've seen a lot of praise for the author's growth, artistically speaking.
Like anon >>14557577 said, many people told Spin that she was going for a trainweck with Max Stallone, sometimes still in such good words that I will never be able to say. And Spin deleted them all.
And don't think being only in the threads it is some "all praise" pass. Example? Mead, he has done good work, but when he made some shit (mainly in JiD, like the sudden Joker plot) anons told him, to his face. And, differently from Spin, he took this as something to improve on.
I've received myself my fair share of (more than justified) critiques and I'm trying to use them to improve, even if the progress is haltingly and slow.
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>>14556595
can...can someone draw this but with Judy?
for scientific study.
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>one of Nick's earliest hustle attempts
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>>14557201
>I have a deja vu of something similar happening same period last year
March Break
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>>14555496
And pretty much zero Fem!Nick in uniform.
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>>14558067
No.
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>>14558169
>March Break
Ah, it is a thing in the US?

>>14558115
Kek, this would be nice
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>>14558285
But its pie day!
Science!
Hawking died!
We need to analyze Judy's neck in a noose!
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>>14558369
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>>14558324
And Canada.
/r/ Nick and Judy eating timbits and drinking coffee EH
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>>14558369
>Hawking died!

Thanks I missed that little tidbit and now my day is completely ruined. Guess today is as good as any other day to be depressed.

Anyway get your asphyxiation fetish drawn elsewhere, don't understand why people find that attractive.
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>>14558510
>Anyway get your asphyxiation fetish drawn elsewhere, don't understand why people find that attractive.
not your safe space, sadanon
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>>14558510
Choking during sex is kinda hot, but lynching is a bridge too far.

Also same. I thought he was bullshitting me. I swear I'm always the last to hear about these things.
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>>14558510
don't kink-shame, Anon.

We are all degenerates here.
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>>14558510
>today is as good as any other day to be depressed

tfw you are depressed everyday
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>>14558393
vanilla.
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>>14558510
I'm going to asphyxiate your world hole with my cock.
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>>14558659
>world hole
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>>14558510
>Thanks I missed that little tidbit
Literally on every page of the site right now.
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>>14556776
>in one thread without making it the be all end all of your whole existence then I suggest seeking professional help.
>people so far down the zoot gen rabbit hole they can't look away from their tab for a second to realize Hawking died.

>>14558510
>>14558552
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If zootopia would've been made in the cars universe, what would it be like?

How would the main prejudice theme between predators and preys would work?
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>>14558969
>people so far down the zoot gen rabbit hole they can't look away from their tab for a second to realize Hawking died.

Ever hear of something called multitasking? I'm at work dickhead.
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>>14558974
Domestic vs imports.
Crossovers are labeled as trans because they are a little bit of a car and SUV and then fail in performing to be either.
Bunny Barrow is filled with redneck trucks.
Nick is like an 80s beater Chevette.
Judy is young and compact, like the hot current model. Only tight young thangs should get together with your nu-models, not outdated Nick. He's unsafe! Judy at least has small airbags.
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>>14558974
Electric vs diesel, and in stead of prejudice, it would be an environmental film.
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>>14559036
I know, those cocks won't suck themselves between taking phone calls and telling people to unplug their device and then turn it back on again.
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will this be the day /ztg/ dies?
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>>14559042
>Bunny Barrow
>Ib4 Skyrim dungeon
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>>14559555
If by that you mean that most of us are college students and are either prepping for midterms, enjoying spring break, or both, and will be back to normal posting habits in a short while, as has happened every spring for the entirety of this general's existence, then yes.
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>>14559907
He likes it when you kick, Judy.
Struggle...he wants you to struggle.
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>>14559907
>I was able to walk into Zootopia and just pick up an Fully Automatic Rabbit. This is unacceptable, and exactly why we need Bun Control.
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>>14558974
wasn't that literally the plot of Cars 3
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VIXEN
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>>14556595
>>14558067
I'd like to see that but with Nick instead. Something about being bound and hanged turns me on so much.
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>>14557054
>>14557201
Its not going to get better.
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>>14554062
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>>14560528
Out of curiosity, what's appealing about that? Choking and bondage I get, but hanging?
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>>14560232

cars 3 was alegory for pixar giving up and passing the mantle to wdas.
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>>14560588
is that a threat?
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>>14556705
>>14558067
>>14560528
anything for an anon in need
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>>14560828
You are a treat, Anon!
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>>14560828

well played, man.
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>>14560828
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>>14555316
This is totally rad Flak! Nice seeing you're still kicking about.
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how can i stop feeling so lonely
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>>14561194
Be around people who have your best interests in mind, and have their best interests in mind
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https://www.twitch tv/ketsketch
Kenket painting Nick Wilde
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>>14561379
>Kenket
I'm not familiar.
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>>14561385
one half of Blotch
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>>14560668
Desperation in a hopeless situation, my guess. Like that water tank comic with Judy.

>>14560828
Cmon anon, that was weak. You can do better.
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>>14561385

The only thing they've ever done here is shill their stream link every once in a while.
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>>14561379
>Kenket drawing Zoot
Oh yeah

>>14561385
Very good artist, pic related is an example of her work
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Jerboanon, if you're out there, we miss you dude. Hopefully you're doing alright.
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>>14561379
Nice.
Her art is incredible.
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>>14561667
I'm not Kenket, just a fan who thinks people would appreciate watching her paint
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Does Nick's anus clench when he receives a pleasurable ear scritching
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80s fitness Nick and Judy when?

"C'mon Nick, move those buns!"
"How bout I move this bun to the bedroom?" *grabs*
"Nickolas!"
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>>14562283
Aw, this is cute
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>>14562419
>Nickolas
Nicholas*
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>>14562419
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You’re great anon
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>>14562548
*spelling nazi
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>>14562611
>that tight shortstacked milf ass.
Yes.
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This movie is old
and SUCKS BALLS !?
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>>14562641
You take that back
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>>14562739
Alright I take it back
You’re not great, but fantastic
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>>14562805
You disgust me with your lies
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>>14562865
I wouldn’t lie to you, friend
Hoping for the day when you realize it’s true
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im feeling pretty gay today
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>>14562923
23 is giving me boni
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I’m annoyed at one friend and we aren’t really talking for a few weeks now
His girlfriend texted me this morning saying she hoped I was doing well and that I have a good week

That was nice of her
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>>14562992
Cuck him
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>>14562846
What is even going on in this.

>>14562852
I was expecting Nick to get run over in that last panel
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>>14562922
Thank you for your encouraging words.
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>>14563020
My Japanese is shit but it’s about having kids. Judy says she wants to be a mother, and something about Nick as the father in the last panel.
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Goodnight /ztg/
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>>14563406
Have a good snooze mongoose.
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>>14563406
I have something for you and two other ccs... Tomorrow.
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how many fics are there about Nick and Judy going to the Bunny Burrows
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>>14563406
Sleep well tuber

>>14563429
Too many to count.
It's a pretty common plot point
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>>14563425
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This is such a dead thread wow
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Only a pack street update can save us now
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>>14563627
TT tomorrow should liven things up a bit
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>>14563020
>I was expecting Nick to get run over in that last panel
Me too, it was too much a truck-kun moment.
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>>14560668
Hey it's what my dick gets hard for. Nothing deep to a good ol hanging.
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>>14563627
Mideterm season and its dead hours
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>>14563549
Is there a Nick version of this? Him doing his wild instincts would be cute.
Like sucking a dick for instance.
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I watched the rest of Voltron
Ho shit

I need Voltron x Zoot now
Not sure that’ll pan out though
Judy as Keith? finnick as Pidge? Clawhauser as Hunk?
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>>14563781
>Judy as Keith
but she's actually likeable
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>>14563651
I just want weaver and poke to get completely shit-faced one night and write a series of Pack Street minis called "Wet Dreams" which explore each character's erotic leanings and the reasoning behind them, if any. I want "day in the lewd life" stories.
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>>14563800
I liked Keith but I watched the original version and so I think I’m still partial to all the characters regardless of their updated changes.

Still, I think they have impulsiveness in common
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>>14563741
Plus constant shit posting for four days straight
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>>14563824
I'm kinda irritated that fucking Lotor has gotten more development than Lance or Hunk
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>>14564093
And the constant barrage of transphobic posts from these threads.
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>>14564172
Looking forward to tomorrow?
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>>14564233
Not really, these threads are problematic enough as is.
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>>14564153
Lance is my favorite character and I thought he got good development over time. He’s gone from the goofball to second in command leader that the rest can go to for advice and support.

Hunk though, yeah that pissed me off. He had like four lines and three of those were food jokes. Now that Pidge’s story arc is over I hope Hunk can get a season.

Very weird to see Lotor where he stands now. Can’t decide whether he should be trusted or not
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>>14564153
But the development he got was so good
Like that scene with the lion, with him resorting to violence as his means of solving the problem and immediately understanding that that was the wrong choice
He was angry about it, not in a way that showed him slipping away from the "good side", but in a way that showed he understood his own shortcomings that his upbringing gave him and was consciously wanting to change that about himself

He's like Remmy if Remmy actually learned anything
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>>14564172
>transphobic posts
wow take it easy tumblrina
no one cares about that gender dysphoria of yours
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>>14563811
I mean that's kinda what Porn Street Is.
They're not as long as full chapters, but there's been 3 if you count Tiger Oil, which was a full on Comic
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>>14564307
>He's like Remmy if Remmy actually learned anything

Holy shit, exactly this
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>>14564329
Wow that was both unprompted and not funny.
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>>14563651
pack street is the only reason i come here
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>>14564418
If you're posting
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>>14562679
Two years isn't old and we're here mostly for OCs.
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>>14563549
she look so weird without her
v i o l e t
o r b s
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>>14564478
holy shit why do you take thing seriously
especially that specific post
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Rex is an absolute lad
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>>14564564
Just explaining not everyone here is for the disney movie m8.
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>>14564652
i'm sure everyone here was very very insulted at the assumption that we were in the zootopia general because we cared about zootopia
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>>14564418
>Smut of Avo
Yes, always.
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>>14564688
I kinda am, yeah. Haven't been here for Zootopia canon for more than a year, back on 2016 I'd rather read over original stories than boring Bunny fucks Fox stuff over and over.
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>>14563741
get off my 4chan you 90s kids reeeee.
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my dream is to one day make an OC that someone on /ztg/ obsesses over
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>>14564731
i hope that anon feels very ashamed for absolutely blowing the fuck out of the movie, not knowing that you (an intellectual) don't even care about that cringy iphone commercial in the slightest
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Almost bought junk food but didn’t
Be proud of me anon
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>>14564823
Bloggy boye
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>>14562074
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>>14564802
My dream is to come to enjoy /psg/ when the inevitable /5n@f/-/roommates/ split occur.
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Judy's Stretched Asshole Edition next pls
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we never talk about Marty, do we?
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>>14564816
I used too, but once you start to examine the movie it really isn't any great, I prefer the stories around here. Even not professional, they are still more interesting and captivating than the movie.
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>>14564943
What's there to talk about?
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>>14564802
>my dream is to one day make an OC that someone on /ztg/ obsesses over
you mean "widely discusses"? or pack street tier autism?
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>>14564943
I'm sure we did but doesn't mean we can't again.
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>>14564975
Something like Artemis
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>>14564975
the only reason people discuss and obsess over pack street is because its actually good, you dont see the same thing with tjh/hyena/sorburne, even shorty squad had to have inky constantly posting for anyone to care
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>>14564951
i too am glad that we had zistopia to save us from this garbage movie that doesn't hold up
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>>14565027
its true but you shouldnt say it
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>>14565016
Just make it fap fuel and draw a lot and shill here, he's kinda like Bailey except for gay guys.
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>>14565016
have you tried created OCs? How'd it go?
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things that are gay get more discussion
Nick Wilde? Gay
Pack Street? Gay
Tube Dudes? Gay as fuck
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>>14565038
Funny, I never mentioned Zistopia. Are you actually get angry enough to put words in my mouth? Don't do that to yourself, go take a walk. Life's still good, friend.
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>>14565088
it gets more obsessive posts definitely
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>>14565088
You? Queer as a three dollar bill.
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>>14565130
thank you
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>>14565088
if I created something only to had some mouthbreathing retard spam retarded shit about it I'd hate the idea and would probably move on to something else
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>>14565088
things that *guys want to fuck* get more discussion
reminder: girls on the internet do not exist

>>14565100
i'm very angry anon
in fact, i hacked your internet and am on my way to your house to give you a firm talking to
i will force you to take me, an anonymous user on a meme website, seriously
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>>14565150
good thing you dont create anything, huh
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>>14565155
Well, you do you buddy. I'm sure things will brighten up sooner or later.
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>>14565178
yeah, makes things easier
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>>14565178
>creating anything for ztg
lul
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>>14561416
oh right, my bad
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>>14565213
exactly
this is why Nobby left us
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>>14565150
youd have to be able to make good content, which save for pack street, this thread still havent managed to make
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>>14565226
>good
what you're trying to say is that you like it
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>>14565221
He didn't leave, people spamming transphobics posts are trying to but he likes coming and making content for the thread.
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>>14565217
>>14560828
>>14556595
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>>14565226
>>14565150
>If i created something only to had [...]
>[...] this thread still haven't managed [...]
not only are you arguiing with yourself, but you can't type for shit :v
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Huh, thought it'd be a new thread by the time I woke up

Neat
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>>14565239
i like garbage you guys produce, but pack street is pretty much objectively good
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>>14565248
man not only you have asthma but youre also retarded
hell of a lottery to win
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the verdict is in
less garbage, more schwarbage
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>>14565289
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>>14565289
just less garbage is fine, you guys really dont need to try and fail
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Fact: the topic writefags most often write about is Wildehopps
Another fact: writefags are generally less popular than artists, who cover a large range of topics

Conclusion: We need more diversity in writing
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Fact: people keep taking shitposts seriously
Another fact: these people tried to give an intellectual take on "schwarbage"
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>>14565330
Maybe they should stop obsessing over the shitty movie already, I'm pretty sure Boney_m and Otterly Pack Street stuff are more popular here than Nick & Judy story number 9999 they've done.
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>>14564869
Nice Violet!
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>>14565330
huh, my conclusion was to write more Wildehopps

guess my math was off
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>>14565330
Fact: Pack Street has no WildeHopps
Another fact: Weaver is the most popular writefag

Conclusion: People don't like WildeHopps as much anymore
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>>14565217
If you can edit Mickey, you can draw an entire Judy or Nick in the same situation.
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>>14565413
Does Weaver have a large class of friends?
He writes like someone who knows relationships. I bet he's had sex.
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>>14565254
Welcome back TB, slept well?
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Fact: Weaver introduced himself with a Wildehopps fic
Another fact: Weaver is now working on a project known as "Pack Street"

Conclusion: Zootopia 2 is not about Judy and Nick, but a faggot antagonistic sheep that takes everything too seriously
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>>14565483
Would be better than pointless wildehopps.
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WildeSavage > WildeHopps
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>>14565402
You can always write it for yourself, just dont expect anyone to care.
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ジュディの腰ばかり描いてます
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>>14565531
WildeHopps > WildeHopps
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>>14565330
Well I once tried to write a solo story about Nicks post academy days before being officially partnered with Hopps but nobody had any interest in it so I went back to writing what a lot of people like wildehopps or occationally wildehopps and savageskye in one story.
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>>14565576
No, Wildehopps <= Wildehopps == Wildehopps >>>>>>> Wildehopps
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>>14565605
when I said diversity I meant "anything other than Nick and Judy"
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End of Thread game!

Role for your preferred living location in
Zootopia

Odds your choice
Even anon before your roll chooses

0 - you’re Gideon and living in the back room of your pie place
11 - you’re Jack and live under Skye’s bed

Bonus -
Dubs you’re dating Usuck and live in a cozy tiger pad
Trips you’re dating Numbers and you live in the deli section at the grocery
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>muh wildehopps is overrated
>stop liking what I don't like
>who cares about chemistry anyway
>everything popular is probably dumb and bad
>a bunch of bad shipping fics means there is no point in trying to make better ones.

Ah, i see is that time again. I come later when there is some comfy wildehopps content, or actual constructive criticism of some disliked ones.
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>>14565652
ROLLIN for downtown
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>>14565659
>muh comfy
>stop disliking what I like
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>>14565680
FUUUUUVVVVKKKK
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>>14565680
God damn we get Gideons real fuckin fast with these things
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>>14565659
but anon, if you're enjoying something that is wholesome and related to the movie, that's illegal and bad and wrong
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>>14565659
God I love when you post your triggered posts whenever you find out people don't obsess as hard as you do over a Disney movie, like anyone gave a shit about your feelings.
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>>14565652
>Trips you’re dating Numbers and you live in the deli section at the grocery
I just want him to come back
I miss the lad
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>>14565472
Yeah

ZNN officially asked me to join their team, whatever the hell that means

I asked them what that would even mean so let's see where that goes

>>14565556
>ジュディの腰ばかり描いてます
I'm just drawing Judy's waist
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>>14565652
Roll!
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>>14565652
o
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>All these recent posts
This thread
>>14556595
Nailed it.
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>>14565605
Sounds bad, glad you stopped.
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>>14565652
C'mon Rainforest District
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i wish i could do something meaningful with my life
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>>14565736
"Do what you're doing already, but for us, and put a big ugly fuckin watermark on it" probably
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>>14565789
create free content for /ztg/ and never express any personal opinions or else you'll get shitposted to death
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>>14565789
write more sheepdog to ward off the zootopia autists
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>>14565754
ITT:
anons mad at anons for enjoying things
anons mad at anons for not enjoying things
anons mad at CCs for being likeable and actually being productive
CCs mad at anons for not giving them enough attention as if it was a right
and perhaps the most embarrassing of all:
me mad at the thread for not behaving the exact way it did in 2016
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>>14565789
Dox
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>>14565802
Poor Nobby sacrifice was worth dealing a decisive blow on the transphobic /ztg/ population.
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>>14563675
Fair enough.
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we can have both Wildehopps and Pack Street
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>>14565840
>2016 was ten years ago.
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>>14565840
>CCs mad at anons for not giving them enough attention as if it was a right
CCs are desperate attentionwhores only here because they know it's the only place they'd get any attention with their level of skills, news at 11.
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we can have both straight and gay
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>>14565869
It's been two years and you guys get more annoying by the day.
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>>14565883
That's some serious projection, Anon. Who hurt you?
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>>14565883
>anons mad at CCs for actually being productive
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we can have both movie characters and original characters
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>>14565896
Fucking bullseye.
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>>14565918
dont know who Bullseye is but he needs a stern talking to
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We can have a 400 post thread with two or three anons posting more than half of those posts
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>>14565739
I get to live where I always lived.
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>>14565918
So you admit it.
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>>14565906
Yes, the extremely interesting cast of a fucking ton of characters whose name only appear on transcript, black police chief, fat cop, corrupt politician #1 and #2, movie reference mafia boss and fat bully.
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You can go to sleep without announcing to the thread that you're going to sleep
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>>14564869
That is a damn fine bune Wynn!
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https://twitter.com/MonkeyPawComics/status/973798808458088450
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>>14565953
Oh no everyone gotta know when i blog. Also when I don't make content and when I don't buy fast food.
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The guy that posts every single Gideon picture he finds is the only sane person left in these threads
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>>14564869
Dang, man, you've really improved.
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>>14565985
i thought he was the first to snap
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>>14565985
>Likes Gideon
>sane

uhhh...
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>>14565903
CCs productivity here is posting a green once or while or drawing a single piece of art unrelated to Zootopia for "the lewd wars *raises up spork*" before going back to either shitting on offsite content or just doing nothing.
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>>14565985
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>>14566022
I like greens, though..
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>>14566022
damn man you cant just vague about A_Sig like that
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>>14566035
Of course you do, those barely break 30 lines. I don't think it'd make sense for it to be so popular here if it wasn't so easy to produce and digest.
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>>14565951
As for OCs, we have
Racist White dude
Snarky know it all.
Butch tsundere
Career criminal with Autism
Angry short guy
Tall and Silent leader dude
And much more
Besides I'm sure we have more than just Bark Apartment
Let's not forget Nobby's
Remmy but as a Deer
Discount Pandora

I'm sure I could do this with short squad but I've never read it so I can't really
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>>14566036
You're in for a rude awakening if you think only A_sig is like that.
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>>14566068
If I remember correctly their names were Failure, Retard, and Maxine
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>>14566068
>I'm sure I could do this with short squad but I've never read it so I can't really
Nobody did it, didn't help going Morbis route with text +some panels
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>>14566054
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>>14566068
And yet those are all more fleshed out and interesting than anything the movie managed. See what's the problem here?
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>>14565652
roll
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>>14566104
>first line
>Nick and Judy
didnt read lol
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>>14566104
>wildehopps
uhh
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Over 450 posts, but only one new image and no new greens among them... come on ZTG, lets try to be better in the next thread.
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What if in Zootopia 2, Judy becomes a lesbian with Sharla or some vixen?
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>>14566104
>content
you dumbfuck idiot, we don't take your kind here
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Close to page 10, new thread

>>14566167
>>14566167
>>14566167
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>>14566169
who the FUCK is sharla
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>>14566104
Well that definitely breaks the hundred lines with at least acceptable grammar, here's your english degree.
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Wholly FUCK this place is a salt mine tonight

Post violet lewdz
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>>14566169
Lesbians are boring
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>>14566176
This sheep. It's her when she's a kid.
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>>14566121
>>14566139
I'm sticking to my roots. I won't fall victim to your peer pressure.

>>14566181
I didn't write it, can I have the degree anyway?
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>>14561787
Why can't the thread yeens be attractive like this (but still with zoot anatomy)

All of ours are gross
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>>14566306
hey fuck you buddy
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>>14566324
Which yeen are you?
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>>14566306
because le trashy maymay xd
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>>14566306
>All of ours are gross

Wrong.
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>>14562846
>>14562852
>>14565556
source?
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>>14566220
I know, but they might possibly do it if they think they can get away with it.
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>>14566404
Actually I feel like you're just proving my point with this one.
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>>14566306
Why do you hate yeens, anon?

Who hurt you? Was is Chumpy?
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>>14566521
Oh yeah.

He did have that emo hyena phase after he came back after washing out of the Coast Guard, didn't he?
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>>14566655
>meet my girlfriend, [canon character]
but it's okay because
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>>14566888
Because its obvious wish fulfillment and was never meant to be legitimate content for the general community?
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>>14567956
no
canidae is just a slut whose parents didn't spank her enough
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