>Zootopia made over a billion dollars on minimal advertising from Disney and mostly word of mouth>Disney seems intent on ignoring it in favor of a Pixar sequel and a "diversity" movie being released around ThanksgivingI don't understand this at all. It would be understable if they focused more on Finding Dory/Moana after Zootopia left movie theaters but to completely ignore the popularity post release with no content or announcements of merch, spin offs or sequels just seems stupid.Why is Disney pretending like Zootopia never happened?inb4>Disney just hates furfags
>>84551652>minimal advertising>DisneyDon't be fucking stupid. This shit was everywhere
>>84551652Zootopia isn't special. How fucking difficult is it to accept that?>minimal advertisementThis alone is proof that you are a fucking idiot.
>>84551652>on minimal advertisingJust because you don't leave the basement it doesn't mean they did not advertise Zootopia.Also, Disney is not the kind of company that sticks with one movie forever, like Dreamworks do to Shrek.
>>84552098I just want good animation Studios to stroke my furry boner!!
>>84552174More sexy foxes and cute waifus....is that too much to ask!?
>>84552014>>84552098Yeah you should watch a good movie like the secre life of pets
>>84551652Make no mistake, all Disney cares about at the end of the day is money. Zootopia is going to be their top grossing movie of the year, possibly grossing even more than Star Wars, and not even Finding Dory was able to catch up with it. Disney is going to be doing pretzel twists trying to get Zootopia merch into the stores in time for Christmas because they know they fucked up betting everything on Finding Dory and not the bunny cop and her smug fox.
>>84552332Anon, it got a lot of advertisement.
>>84552274There were the arctic fox masseuses from the concept art. I bet they would have had eastern European accents.
>>84552098>wasn't that special >is currently the best reviewed movie of 2016
>>84552547Granted Rotten Tomatoes has been putting their credibility to the test a lot this year, but in the case of Zootopia the high praise is warrented. It's a visually gorgeous movie with some addictively endearing lead characters and touches on a lot of culturally relevant themes without beating you over the head with political propaganda.
>>84551652Zootopia suffered a lot of plot changes during the development, the team literally rewrite the whole movie just a few months before release, at this point, it's reasonable for Disney or any other producer didn't give a shit for a movie that looked that it gonna blow. Fortunally, the team fixed all this mess up and the rest is story.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3pF9owYlRI
>>84552404source of images?
>>84553868I don't think the "Shock collar" version was a very good idea, but I just want the scenes of injured Nick being swarmed by hundreds of adorable bunnies to be real.
>>84555048Probably John K knowing his hatred of Disney and furries.
Lion King syndrome.If Moana bombs or reviews poorly, expect Disney to jump on Zootopa's dick like no tomorrow.
>>84555359I don't think Moana is going to bomb, but it's not going to be in the billion dollar club. I expect it will make somewhere areound $600 or $700 million, which is plenty respectable but not the runaway hit that Zootopia was.The only thing that could go wrong is if Moana is pretentious trash like Pocahontas was. I think Disney has earned a bit of good faith at this point though.
>>84552354>More than Star Wars No, stop. It might beat Finding Dory but it isn't going to beat Rogue One, that's just silly.
>>84556166Rogue One will join the billion dollar club easily, but maybe I'm a bit less sure of it beating Zootopia just because Episode VII failed to topple Avatar.
>>84556473That's one big fallacy you have there.
>>84555281There was a huge logical gap as to why the prey were able to live with predators peacefully for thousands of years and then as soon as the age of technology came about, they suddenly decided that they needed protection from them. The shock collars have been a thing for so long in proto zootopia that predators have come up with their own cultural traditions surrounding them. There was no explanation as to where the whole mess started.The only logical reason within the story would have been that predators were actually going savage and attacking prey, but that would have gone against the notion that the prey were just being blinded by stereotypes and that there was never anything to be afraid of. If it was an elaborate false flag operation like what Bellwether came up with in the final movie that initiated the shock collar mandate, then we still have a justification because there were still documented maulings occurring that didn't stop until they started using tame collars.If predators and prey living together was something recent, and the predators hadn't even been allowed in prey cities until the shock collars were invented, then that might make a bit more sense, but that wasn't the case from what we saw. Predators and prey used to get along until one day, the prey decided it'd be a great idea to demote predators to second class citizens, and for some reason everyone in the city went along with it.
>>84552014>>84552098It wasn't dude, it really wasn't. There was barely any promoting for the film and not a whole lot of merchandise was made. But yeah, why is Disney ignoring this film?
>>84552404I see hottdygedydemon is at it again. The guy can be such a total hit or miss.
>>84557052Yeah, that's a pretty big hole there. And if predators are gonna get subjected ti that, I am sure they would if have made their own cities or some shit instead of wearing collars that didn't let them feel any sort of strong emotion.
>>84557158Disney was not prepared for how successful Zootopia was going to be. It is a total repeat of what happened with The Lion King, where they underestimated the movie and wrote it off, while thinking that Pocahontas (which was an Oscar-bait movie) was going to be their big hit. Lion King ended up being a phenomenal success while Pocahontas got a mixed reception and is generally considered the weakest film of the 90s renaissance.
>>84557418if you saw Imagining Zootopia documentary you'd understand why Disney wanted to sweep Zootopia under a rug, , the movie was being made by very thoughtless people. "this is not about about racism" they said while the sketch version of the final movie bluntly show animals treated like jews or niggers during the hitler era.pxar, lassetter and rich moore had to step in and turn everything upside down otherwise it'd be either a very scandalous movie, or none at all.
>>84557052>no one is eating anyone for thousand of years >but just to be extra safe we have the "Tame Collars" Zootopia's writing team insane fuckup.they simply rolled with it, i think because they ran out of ideas.
>>84557752Yeah I know all about proto zootopia. I'm not saying Disney had no reason to doubt Zootopia, however they clearly didn't have much faith left in it even after they brought in additional directors and completely revamped the concept.
>>84557418Really?Pocahontas was considered weak?I mean, it wasn't as good as the Lion King, but I didn't think it was weak.
>>84557790Tame collars were an interesting concept, but they were one of many factors that were making the movie way too dark and bleak and they had to go. Especially because they never even came up with a convincing backstory for the city, and it really needed one.
>>84557801i kinda wished thhey'd pull "sweatbox" on that documentary (it's a documentary about Kingdom of the Sun which was later completely rewritten into Emperor's New Grove)but it's 5 months too late for that, and those are different times, informations travel too fast to be hidden.proto-zoo is a stinker.
>>84557825Compared to the other movies in the 90s renaissance, it was the weakest of the lot. Visually it was very nice but the writing was an insultingly simplified look at the complicated and intense relationship between native Americans and British settlers, not to mention Pocahontas herself was not at all historically accurate. She was only 12 years old and did not have a romantic relationship with John Smith.
>>84557857dont forget that politically incorrect song "Savages, Savages!"
>>845525478/10solid work, pretty, full of puns, decent tackle of subject, but rushed near the end .
Hopefully, Zootopia will destroy Faggot Dory, which is at 600 million after one month.
>>84557862Yeah, that's kind of the ur example of how the Pocahontas took a very complicated issue and came up with an insultingly simplified way of explaining it.>"they're not like us, which means they must be evil!"Someone at Disney was either so dumb that they thought this was a good lyric, or they were laughing their ass off because they thought the studio would make them fix it but they didn't.Zootopia simplifies a complicated set of issues but it does it in a way that is much more mature and open ended than Pocahontas, and it does it through an Aesop about animals who don't directly represent real types of people. It's left up to the audience to decide how they want to read into it, because the message is universal.
>>84557935dory is a money maker, is sells summer merchandise , the only reason Disney forced Pixar to make it. they dusted of Finding Nemo merchandise too.
I wish this cat was a real character.
>>84557935Hopefully, it will also destroy FEEL THE ETHNIC fuckedface polynesian mantits Moana
>>84557948>>"they're not like us, which means they must be evil!"gee... didn't Byron worked on Pocahontas too?he was cleaning artist or something , it was his first job at disney.
It's kind of forgettable, to be honest. My friends and coworkers stopped talking about it less than a week after we say it.Money really doesn't much either. You don't see anyone talking about Avatar nowadays.
Some new prototopia stuff has been found, lookup Toby Shelton
Zootopia finally shuffled out of Japanese theaters after 12 weeks. Or at least enough theaters that it dropped from 4th place last weekend to no-longer-charting this weekend. Now they get to wait a long five weeks until they get it on Blu-ray.
>>84558041>its yet another disturbing sceneGee, thanks Disney, you're fucking generous Why can't you release alternate ending instead, hmm?Nowadays only furries and fangirls give a shit about the movie and they're all praising protozoo because Nick Wilde was the main character which automatically makes it better somehow.
>>84558147source of image?
While it is true that Disney advance merchandising seems to be playing up Dory, a year from now will be the true test. It took Disney licensing about a year to catch up to the Frozen phenomenon, and it should be a year for them to catch up to Zootopia.As for advertising, Disney markets the hell out of EVERY release. Just because you don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.
>>84558204Also this from Japanese Twitter.
>>84551652>Zootopia>not explicitly about diversity and tolerancechoose one you fucktard
>>84557857>not to mention Pocahontas herself was not at all historically accurateYou can say plenty of things about the movie, but this argument has always been stupid. There are countless movies that are only very loosely based on historical events.
>>84558163People are probably just sick of Judyfags, that's why.Nick is cuter, anyways.
>>84558395Nah, I've preferred Bonnie over either ever since the movie first premiered.
>>84551652>made over a billion gross != benefits
>ズートピアの日本での公開は本日で最後。この映画には色々と励まして頂いたのでせめてお礼言いたかった。ブルーレイ買います。>#Zootopia>Translated from Japanese by Bing>>The release in Japan of the Zutopia last today. Encouraged with this movie a lot because at the very least thank you wanted to say.>Buy the Blu-ray. #Zootopia
>>84558395you mean furries, regular people forgot what Zootopia was.also it's 2in1 package, you like nick, you like judy, they complete each other.
>>84558229i'd bieleve you if i saw at least one billboard in my country, all i remember is this standee and few very baddly translated trailers found almost exclusively online.also, since when disney releases movies on march, eh?!
>>84558041https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xFnaR85PhUso willfanofmany is Toby? or just really obnoxious zoo fanboy?
>>84558520This was the latest one before Zootopia.
>>84558558The latter of course, he actually browses here in these threads.
>>84553087>Culturally relevantHow?>>84551652>Moana is a "diversity movie"Tumblr pls, this actually looks like an interesting setting/mythos to use. Fuck even the actual diversity one Frog Princess was really great.
>>84558691>claiming he has these 4000 concept art imagessuuuuure...
>>84558691Neat.If you're here front up faggot.
>>84558705I've heard mixed things about Frog Princess.Putting the 2D/3D drama aside, is it a great flick to watch nonetheless?
>>84558705Why do people always act like Princess and the Frog was the first "ethnic" Disney princess movie?
The problem with a rabbit sized judy plush is that her waist is too thin so you eel the fleshlight case when you should be feeling soft bunny tummy
>>84558747It was pretty great, I thought.The only problems are that they seemed to be forced to water down certain elements for the sake of political correctness. You can practically feel them walking on eggshells at some points, like with how they barely touch upon the discrimination Tiana faces.
>>84558761Because race relations in the US revolve around Blacks.
>>84558747It's pretty good fun, about what you'd want from a Disney movie.
>>84558734and once again, another mystery solved.we know were did the koslov's adivce came from.>totally for children and adults alike.
>>84558459oh that's so sad, japan gave us best zoo content.
>>84559308i dont mean only artwork, sir.
Japan gave us dances.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0s3Pulc2xA
>>84558906With all the crime syndicate undertones of Zootopia I wonder what would have happened if animated flicks weren't viewed as for children in the US.
>>84552014Wheres the Zootopia breakfast cereal? Or beach towels? I still see frozen merchandise everywhere.
i know these two were made just to promote the movie, but they should show up in disneyland again.i dunno?for halloween?
>>84559318>Bunny butt friend
>>84559736The mascots arent around anymore?
>>84559736Just accept the fact that they're gone, anon.Disney's swept them under the rug forever.
>>84551652>and a "diversity" movie being released around ThanksgivingPeople are that easily triggered?
>>84559773But if you find that rug, you can drag the costumes out from under it and wear them to the 7-11.
>>84551652>>Disney seems intent on ignoring it in favor of a Pixar sequel and a "diversity" movie being released around ThanksgivingIsn't the whole shtick about Zootopia being about accepting other and not fall into prejudice? how is this not a "diversity " movie too?
>>84559794All the cum stains tho...
Someone post race war bunny.
>>84559707and you will,Frozen is on everything and everywhere.>meanwhile Zootopia's universe is perfect opportunity for comics, board games,kid cosplays, plushies ,figures, funny toy carsand this is just a tip of an iceberg.
>>84559813>mention Frozen>tip of the iceberg
>>84559813>funny toy cars
>>84559832mea culpa, wrong choice of words.
>>84559838>mfw still waiting for that vani know it's shit. but damn, for Finnick, anything!
>>84559877It's very compact.
>>84559928I knew finnick was short, but this is ridiculous!
>>84559928not japan one.
You don't break a billion dollars with minimum advertising.And what should they have done? "Our movie is still in theaters! Please go see it!" Nobody does that. And the fact that you demand a sequel so soon means your impatient. Disney has to balance their own films, as well as Marvel, Pixars and Star Wars. They already have an animated slate coming up with Wreck it Ralph 2 and new projects.You sound like an ass!
did anyone else feel like zootopia was a totally creepy brainwash movie?
>>84560063It's Kellogg's, but not cereal. フルーツ風味のスナック is fruit snacks, and they're on Amazon.co.jp as an import from America. https://www.amazon.com/Kelloggs-Fruity-Snacks-Sours-Zootopia/dp/B01ALC0876/
>>84552354Civil War already beat Zootopia. It's not catching up to that.
>>84560108i told you what we are:furries.
>>84560134Yeah, Civil War hit the billion before Zootopia had a chance to, but at least they can call it their most successful Disney-original movie of the year, outside of Marvel which they bought and Star Wars which they bought. Jungle Book is next closest at $936 million, Finding Dory is doing excellent domestically but unfortunately China didn't care, Alice and BFG aren't big hits, and The Finest Hours went and sank early in January.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCKCOboB6xQ>>84560227numbers, numbers, numbers...
>>84559736>>84559769They'll probably be back due to popular demand.
>>84560331i hope so, i will never visit disneyland, but let others enjoy them.
>>84560250those meme references hurt more than I thought they would.
>>84558747the story kinda gets messy at the end, but it features one of the best villain designs to ever come out of disney, as well as a criminally underrated song
>>84560250Was this inspired by this?
>>84559736>>84559769Why can't they make a Nick plush that looks as good as these costumes? All of the ones they have out right now look awful.
>>84560916One is designed to house a human body and withstand extreme wear-and-tear.The other is designed to be mass-produced as cheaply and quickly as possible.
>>84560250>Stupid, but nothing horrible>Suddenly a shibe appearsGod dammit.
>>84560916>>84560982annoying , isnt it? disney doesnt cater to our needs.
>>84560982It's not like Disney is a stranger to high quality, expensive, collectable plushes though.
>>84560250i dunno, but press conference made me teary eyes.even in emoji form
>>84561027At least you can sew that into a body pillow cover.
>>84561268but i want bune daki!
>>84561309You'll surely get one of your slutty bunny, everyone's drawing her.But our beloved smug fox is being forgotten.
>>84561359no one is being forgotten. one cannot exist without another.
>>84551652to make up for that shit Frozen movie, my goodness it was bad
>>84561384But some people don't like the dumb bunny the same way they like the sly fox.
>>84560353And the eggs too.
>>84557825Nigga it's a poor mans mulan, the only good thing that came out of that movie is that One Big Somg
>>84557052>The only logical reason within the story would have been that predators were actually going savage and attacking prey, but that would have gone against the notion that the prey were just being blinded by stereotypes and that there was never anything to be afraid of.>>84557232>Yeah, that's a pretty big hole there.>>84557790>they simply rolled with it, i think because they ran out of ideas.They didn't think about it very hard, they just wanted to get a message across, and that message was: "Prejudice is based on ignorance; those people you don't like didn't do nuttin!!" Which isn't how reality works at all. Prejudice is based on negative association, meaning people see a few individuals from another group do something bad, then start to associate those kinds of people with the bad ones they saw. Humans are naturally xenophobic, and it's easy to fall into the trap of negative association because of that. Because this movie ignores the actual cause of prejudice, the prejudice it shows feels weird and vapid. If foxes were never dangerous, why is there fox-away spray? Who manufactures that? Why would they bother if foxes aren't attacking anyone anywhere? etc. There is so much lingering prejudice in this world implying a lot of terrible things have happened, but they never show any of these things, refrence them or speak of anything historically. The fact that predators once at prey doesn't count, they were cave-men back then and it has NOTHING to do with how the modern world of Zootopia works.
>>84551652>>Disney seems intent on ignoring it in favor of a Pixar sequel and a "diversity" movie being released around ThanksgivingYou're an idiot, that movie was already in production, they wouldn't move it no matter how we'll your shit movie did.
>>84561682This guy gets it. Prejudice exists because animals are predisposed to it biologically. When one creature attacks you and you manage to escape with your life you will not give the benefit of the doubt to the next one that shows up, you will run or kill it. That and the fact that it's very difficult to differentiate an animal from another species from every other member of that species, etc.
>>84561801we're fickle and impatient beings.our "fandom" is probably on par with tangled. at least in my country , 40 fucking people. of course they will cash on it, just not *right* now.
>>84551652No shit they focus on the stuff that's upcoming/in theaters, that's how they always work. And why would they announce a spinoff/sequel this early? Hell, WiR 2 is the first movie since the Rescuers to get an actual theatrical Disney sequel and that took a few years, why would Zootopia get one so early? Especially when they have so many other movies in front of it to promote even beyond Moana and Finding Dory? And does Disney even announce Merch, besides their now-aborted Disney Infinity shit? Do you expect a press conference to announce a new line of t-shirts?Fucking zoofags are delusional at this point.
They focused on releasing >>84560250 three hours ago. Does that count?
>>84561682>Because this movie ignores the actual cause of prejudice, the prejudice it shows feels weird and vapid. If foxes were never dangerous, why is there fox-away spray? Who manufactures that? Why would they bother if foxes aren't attacking anyone anywhere?i asume those were just regular pepper sprays and tasers, with "fox away" stickers because they were sold specifically to dumb bunnies/country hicks.still, much more delicate way of handling it that their previous attempt.>muh white priviledgeplease...
>>84561854>Ghost in the shell is really getting a live action remake>I didnt just dream it
>>84561707God, I love him.
>>84562000I think the point Zootopia made was that no matter how open-minded you (think you) are, you might still be a prisoner of stereotypes and even if you personally friendly to others, there's still deep inside you a fear of ominous OTHERS who'll fuck you up. Fear that might explode at slightest provocation. Once you illusion of safety stripped away. And obviously, crime exists, and predators probably have easier way in crime career with all those claws and teeth.
>>84559769C A N O NANON
>>84562091>predators probably have easier way in crime career with all those claws and teeth.you're afraid of Nick?!good lord! you're such a racist!
>>84553087The entire movie was heavy handed political propaganda.
>>84562150You say it like it's a bad thing.It was also a nice touch to show that just because you fancy yourself a victim doesn't mean world isn't actually geared for your benefit.A message doomed to fall of deaf ear, but a good message non the less.
>>84562091Yeah, but they still went out of their way to show that it went both ways for everyone. Which is something most movies would avoid like the plague in order to push a white guilt agenda.
>>84558106Do sheep shear themselves? What do they do with the wool when they're done?Judy has foot things. Why does she wear shoes?
>>84551652>Disney seems intent on ignoring it in favor of a Pixar sequel and a "diversity" movie being released around ThanksgivingWreck it Ralph didn't get its sequel officially announced til a few days ago. Fucking Frozens still in line for official details on its sequel. Just give it time.
>>84558260Why does Chief Bogo have long lashes?
>>84558106Nick's butt is lower than Judy's. Their proportions really mess me up when drawing.
>>84562217>Do sheep shear themselves? What do they do with the wool when they're done?There's probably hairdresser services for any animal that might need them, just like in human world. Humans sell their hair sometimes and sheep perhaps sell them too. Human hair are probably only good for wigs, but wool is actually good for cloth production.>Judy has foot things. Why does she wear shoes?Maybe she has sensitive feet?
>>84560476As much as I hate emojis, that was pretty good.
>>84560476>>84562334And this is why official Disney emojis are coming out.
>>84562259but what kind of subject they could come up with?
>>84561854Please let Pirates die.
>>84562420>not Toy Story
>>84562202I always thought the movie makes most sense as direct analogy if you assume prey are women and predators are men. #YesAllPredators
>>84562460shut up Jossie!
>>84562396It would work great as a kid-friendly cop show.
>>84562524only in 2d man, otherwise i cannot accept shallow cgi
>>84562601It's either crappy CGI or flash animation like in the Lion Guard.
>>84562625TLG's leg animations trigger me.
>>84559736>>84559769They're still running around in California Adventure in the Hollywood Land section. Last time I saw them was a few weeks ago.
>>84562601>>84562625>>84562679It'll probably be like the Ducktales and Tangled show coming out soon.
>>84562601Riders of Burk and Kung Fu Panda Legends or whatever they were called are sorta okay, but I agree it takes some getting use to when you watch a CGI TV show right after it's movie.
Do you agree that Bellwether had identity problems like Judy and Nick and was not really racist? If she was racist, she'd be calling her action pre-emptive strike or something like this, but she's just rationally exploiting existing prejudice.The only species she really hate is sheep.
why was fox repellentt/taser/etc pink?as if it wasa product targeted toward dumb women
>>84557052>The only logical reason within the story would have been that predators were actually going savage and attacking preyI've got a better one: Zootopia is a post-Industrial development and the rest of the globe is split into enthnic-national nation-states in the way that the world had been divided prior to the Industrial revolution.Basically, paint Zootopia as an experiment in multiculturalism and have the rest of the world consist of the wolf nation inhabited by wolves and some second-class minorities, or the horse nation inhabited by horses and some second-class minorities.Then explain that Zootopia is a failed experiment, and that the people living in it today are living in the ruins of 1960s-1970s bleeding heart politics and post-war idealism and that they're having to live with the consequences of this blind, dumb optimism.
>>84557935Finding Dory slowed down and it doesn't have legs because it's a fish.Zootopia was like Frozen in that it was a steam engine that just kept going. Finding Dory seems like it's a lot more front loaded. It still has a fair bit of money to make but it won't cross $1B.One place where Zootopia doesn't compare favorably to Dory is that Finding Dory has a shit ton of merchandise. Whatever money it doesn't match Zootopia for will be more than made up for in the sheer amount of plastic and cardboard shit bearing Dory's likeness. This is something that Disney is kicking themselves in the pants over though, because they made very little effort to market and merchandise Zootopia and they consequently left a ton of money on the table. I suspect they are going to be tripping over themselves to get more Zootopia merchandise on the market before Christmas.
>>84558041>Savage NickI'm still salty we didn't get this for real.We better get it in whatever sequel there is.
>>84563322>Those fucking tigersHow did they get away with them?
>>84559746So you saw it too.
>>84563322card games, collectible figures, apps.. oh god, no, only not apps.>>84563350thank god you dont work for disney, in 6 years you'll forget about everything said here>proto nick got darted>he was protecting hopps because he subcionsiosly considered her a friendthanks for avoiding yet another, trope, Moore!
>>84559796The main characters are voiced by white people and they behave like white people, so apparently that makes it not count.
>>84563439>they behave like white peopleYou mean they're not chimping out?
>>84563368they gave them tiny legs.
>>84561682Judy was bullied by a fox when she was a kid though, and that's where her bias against Nick came from. Part of her maturation as a character was realizing that she was still carrying that bias around with her. And what's more, the person who had given her that bias in the first place had himself changed. Maybe that's a somewhat idealistic outcome, but Judy's bias didn't come from no-where, and neither did Bellweather's or Nick's.
>>84558041There's something strangely sexual about this image.
>>84551652>Disney seems intent on ignoring it in favor of a Pixar sequel and a "diversity" movie being released around ThanksgivingInstead of what, shitting out direct to Blu-ray sequels like Cars?Also Finding Dory was fine and dancing around with giant bait man looks like it's going to be good.The kids you'll never have can go hug Judy at Disney World right now.
>>84563662>>Judy was bullied by a fox when she was a kid though, and that's where her bias against Nick came fromI was bullied by niggers.Does that mean I'm allowed to be racist?
>>84558643Why was the goth ants girl on the poster anyway she only had like 10 seconds of screentime and was a minor character...WHY
>>84563813how did you miss the entire fucking point of the movie
>>84563813by just how you said that it seems that it doesn't matter, you already are.have fun being anonymous on the internet and using slurs, big dog.
>>84557935Finding Dory has just become the most successful animated film domestically and it hasn't even released in all markets yet.
>>84558906>dead body to disappear.Wait, is that an actual subtitle?
>>84563865How did you miss the entire fucking point of that post and all the previous ones?People are racist against niggers because niggers are associated with bad things, like crime. Niggers are associated with these things because they engage in those things more often than non-niggers. Those are facts, not opinions.Racism is the leap from "niggers do the thing" to "niggers do the thing because they are niggers".Now let's discuss Zootopia.People are racist against foxes because....... why? The only reason they would be racist against foxes would be if foxes did something to inspire that racism. No smoke without fire, etc. etc.So if foxes are disproportionately involved in bad things then the assumption that any specific fox has a higher probability of being involved in those bad things than a non-fox is a valid assumption. The statement "foxes are involved in bad things because they are foxes" is not (proven to be) a valid statement, but that's not the statement Judy makes. In fact she makes opposite intimations throughout the entirety of Act 1.Judy is not racist, bigoted, or biased. She is rationally responding to the higher incidences among foxes of bad things that must exist for there to be a negative stereotype of foxes.When she disregards this natural and sensible caution she does nothing more than open herself up to being mugged by a pack of feral niggers.However, there is a big gulf between "blacks commit more crime" and "blacks commit crime because they are black."The point of the movie is nothing to do with racism or bigotry - it's that even if your entire race is full of worthless nothings - kind of like the black race today - you as an individual member of that race can rise above the stereotype and be more than what others think you are - so long as you don't wallow in self pity and actually fucking try.
>>84553087>Rotten Tomatoes has been putting their credibilityIT'S AN AGGREGATE SITE
>>84564032>The point of the movie is nothing to do with racism or bigotryIt's amazing how someone can be so completely wrong.
>>84561128>smiling beastI wouldn't buy one just out of flavor complaint.
>>84564100Wow dude, you sure convinced me with all those hot opinions.Zootopia mentions racism and bigotry, but makes no commentary on it as a topic entire. Instead it makes the absolutely infantile point that there are exceptions to stereotypes (and that if you try hard you can be one of them!). It doesn't tackle the bigger, vastly more important issue: that those stereotypes generally speaking exist for a reason; nor does it tackle what should be done about them.This is because Zootopia is a kid's movie, not high art.
>>84564030Oh, it's much more comedic then I expected.
>>84564053People who decide whether or not to watch movies based on a systematically generated number are generally not free thinkers.
Hourly reminder that it's totally morally acceptable to shoot someone dead for being /pol/
whyboners and wet panties guaranteed
I want to manhandle and squeeze the rabbit
>>84564319>hating on those fleeing their war torn board for a better life
>>84563662>neither did Bellweather'sI don't think Bellwether fits "Racist due to trauma" mould. If she was, it'd appear in her pitch to Judy.
>>84564319#NotAll/pol/Have you considered that statements like that are what fuel the /pol/posting. If you were all just a little bit more tolerant of racial slurs like nigger and kike /pol/ posters wouldn't lash out at you./co/ simply needs to learn to live with /pol/ shitposting.
>>84561854>Ghost in the ShellOf all the studiosWhy the FUCK is it Disney
>>84563867>"slurs" meaning anything>wheredoyouthinkweare.jpgyou're probably right in this context though
>>84551652>Thinking it took 1 year to make Zootopia>Thinking a sequel rushed to release by Thanksgiving of this year won't be the E.T: The Video Game of Disney movies.
>>84564529Bellwether is not racist due to trauma, she is racist because she's been pushed around, overlooked, and underappreciated by predators in her professional life. In Bellwether's twisted mind, she is the victim of systematic discrimination, therefore she is justified in committing bioterrorism with the goal of subjugating all predators.
>>84564319Hourly reminder that you're a pussy faggot who is probably too terrified of guns to ever use one.
>>84564599>>84564599This.I'll just pretend it never existed.
>>84564730When I think of it, I'm more inclined to think her real motive is resenting her look and what role she's pegged into. She's vicious predator trapped inside body of cute tiny sheep and wishes to whip all the prey into frenzy so she could be herself for once.
>>84564452>>84564588>live in the midst of the most diverse county in my state>have never met a Muslim who wasn't incredibly anti-terrorist>Muslims in Iraq are killing the fuck out of ISISInb4 horseshit about the Qur'an saying to lie to nonbelieversIf it's such an effective propaganda technique why doesn't /pol/ denounce authoritarianism and loudly espouse tolerance and multiculturalism while undermining it from within?
Is BFG any good?
>>84564846>live incredibly sheltered life in first world country far divorced from the realities of life in the third world or the attitudes and people that inhabit those shitholes>surrounded by similarly privileged westernised muslims who haven't seen their home countries in decades, if they weren't flat-out born in the USA>feel like i have the requisite base of knowledge to spout off about who thinks what when all the research that's ever been done points in the other directionCool, senpai.This isn't some /pol/ infographic.This data comes from Pew.
>>84564155But he's cute when he's smiling. He's always cute, actually.
>>84564394That's not even his most flattering facial expression
>>84564982>this is the face he makes while you undress him as if you're the desparate one>even though he's the one who asked for sexSmug fucker.
You clearly don't understand how merchandising works.What do you think will happen to all the Zootopia merchandise from the first film, if they keep pumping out sequels every year?
>>84564911>admits not all Muslims are terrorists>Still wants to treat all Muslims like terroristsOn. Sight.
>>84552014Nah man, I found out about Zootopia literally one week after the premiere. Here in Europe at least the advertising was non-existing
>>84564982>>That's not even his most flattering facial expression
>>84565056How can you tell the good ones from the bad ones?Why do we NEED to take the risk?These are our communities. We can choose what risks we want to take or not take. There's no reason to to take the 1-in-3 chance that you'll get a Muslim who will not be immediately and directly opposed to core Western values - that's not even "will this Muslim fit in an add value", that's pure "will this Muslim actually understand the idea of equal rights and democracy, integral to our liberal Enlightenment-principle government?"If you can explain to me why you think we should take these risks, I'm all ears.
>>84565056In civilized society most people are peaceful and tolerant, and the extremists who wish death and destruction on people unlike them are the outliers. In Islamic society it's the reverse.
>>84565055oh they're smarter than that.also making a sequel will take at least 6 years minimum. it's just impatient furries who jerk over how smug nick is.
>>84565116>>84565158How can you tell the bad whites from the good whites?The majority of murders committed in the US is by whites and the overwhelming majority of their victims are white.Can you explain why we tolerate white people?
>>84565259>HA HA, time to cam!>tie loosening gif from the scene at the nudist place.webm
>>84565288Then let's stop importing both whites and Muslims :^)
>>84565288We tolerate _citizens_, anon, because we are legally and morally obligated to do so.That being the case, we must ensure only the right kinds of people get citizenship. We can't really do anything about preventing people from getting it when they're born here, and most people born in the USA are white (until recently, anyway), which is why most US citizens are white, but it has nothing to do with whiteness inherently.Citizenship, not colour, ought to determine your rights under the law.But if you're _not_ a citizen then the situation is different. I'd say the same thing if Saudi Arabia chose to arbitrarily deny your visa on the basis of them not wanting to import your liberal values. It's their country, and they don't owe you a place in it. The same goes for us.Your lack of /pol/ shows - these arguments are infantile.
>>84565356It's not a murder if the "victim" is /pol/
>>84565288We should just stop accepting immigrants from any country. Excellent idea.
>>84565221>furries who jerk over how smug nick isAre you just trying to get more smug screenshots posted?
>>84565375>We tolerate _citizens_, anon, because we are legally and morally obligated to do so.Black people are citizens, Anon
I'm actually looking forward to Moana. I hope they make it really mythological and world-built-y.
>>84565501>Black people are citizens, AnonUnfortunately, yes. I'd never advocate for laws that are discriminatory, because citizenship overrides colour. We are all Americans first, even if some of us aren't very good Americans or indeed very good at being American. I love this nation, but not in a patriotic way. Patriots love their idea of their nation - they have a fantasy concept of what they want America to be, and that is what they love. I love the America that I have. America is a special, unique place. It's not the best place, it's not the only free country, or any of that dumb American exceptionalism bullshit. But it is the only America, the only country inhabited by Americans, and the only country with its history. I've travelled extensively - I've been to every continent except Antarctica - but there's no other place I could live than America. There are a million tiny reasons why, and some big ones.There is something special to me about my country, and that something special is the result of every single person in that country. Even the ghetto niggers have played a part in making America the country that I love, and how could I love the country without loving the builders?But this country cannot be preserved in the form that I love without protection from people who seek to come here, but do not love it.
>>84565568i wonder why moana was so unimpressed by the guywas he nerfed or something?
>>84565501Muslims from Europe and the Middle East, Haitians, Mexicans, et. all aren't though. We have no obligation to let any of them in, and when we have consistently had problems from immigrants from certain countries, we have every right to exclude people from that specific country from migrating here.
>>84565568With every concept sketch Disney releases for their stuff, I yearn for 2D more and more.
>>84565714it hurts, doesnt it?https://vimeo.com/172137346
>no one will ever make animated movie about 40 years old gansta fennec fighting his way through the underground world of zootopia
>>84565763>My childhood dream was to become an animator for movies like this>Now that CG has taken everything over, I'd only be left with either working on CN shows or direct-to-video capeshit.
>>84565714I disagree The sketch looks too much like princess and the frog although 3d maui is ugly.
>>84565056>Still wants to treat all Muslims like terroristsThat's not even needed, when it comes to what type of people to admit into ones country, given what they believe and how willing they are to integrate into the population, Muslims are arguably the least compatible in the world.No need of terrorism even be mentioned, would they make a good citizen, is the question to ask when considering immigration.No hyperbole needed, no slandering, just ask and listen to what they are saying, it's a point of concern to say the least.Surely even you can see at least that much?
>>84565865It hurts, doesn't it?
>>84565375>_citizens_>_not_>what's with the underscores-->oh shit it's redditI probably would've agreed with you, too. But you just lost all credibility, bub.
>>84565872My biggest problem with the 3D is that they still haven't gotten it to the point where their human characters don't suffer from sameface.If you have to look closely for several minutes to see that Elsa and Moana don't look exactly like Rapunzel, they still look too much like Rapunzel. You didn't get those problems comparing Jasmine to Belle or Mulan to Pocahontas.
>>845659564chan lacks formatting options, and I DESPISE using capslock for emphasis.I toyed with doing the old o n e s p a c e b e t w e e n e a c h l e t t e r for emphasis but it's mostly ironic._underline_ and /italics/ are incredibly common across the entire internet and I have been using them on 4chan since 2006, before Reddit even fucking existed.Come at me.
>>84565888Nice trips, and you are correct. The Islamic ideology at its most basic level isn't compatible with western civilization. If they are not coming to America with the intention of becoming Americans then they should not be let in.And in regards to terrorism, it's not the first generation immigrants that are the biggest threat, but rather the second generation ones. Second generation immigrants have no appreciation for how bad the culture they left behind is, and that is why so many ISIS recruits are young people from Europe and America. All they know is that the country they live in is in direct odds with the book they believe in, which fuels anger and resentment to the point that some are becoming violent. Ones that don't become terrorists are resorting to subversive political activism like making the police look the other way when Muslims enforce Sharia law in their communities.
>>84565893not really, but he did deserved more.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdADidJDtsk
>>84566006Reddit associations aside, your choices of punctuative emphasis make you look like a tool and you should really just stop.
>>84566077He had a short amount of screen time. Some people think it was too little, but I think his tiny performance just went over their heads.
>>84565960But that's exactly why I like Moana in 3-D. Because Maui's concept art looks too much like the prince or whatever from princess and the frog. I didn't actually watch the movie but he has the same face. Maui is at least unique in the pantheon.
>>84566094I know. I typically don't use emphasis because if you're writing is so shit you need to use punctuation to show that you're trying to make a point you need to stop and redraft, but I've been awake for 26 hours now and I don't give a fuck.I've been doing this for a long time, anon. I know how to post.
>>84566097some sort of closure would be nice,that's all.oh well, i bieleve he'll return, someday.
>>84566057>If they are not coming to America with the intention of becoming Americans then they should not be let in.>We shouldn't let these white people in, they have no intention of using every part of the buffalo. Whoops too late.Cultures change, stop crying about it.>And in regards to terrorism, it's not the first generation immigrants that are the biggest threat, but rather the second generation ones.Sure sounds like gang culture in America. It's a bunch of poor, marginalized, undereducated kids that are desperate for power, so they grab a gun.
>>84566192>Cultures change, stop crying about it.Do you have any idea how out of touch and privileged that makes you sound? Cultures change, but they don't just change overnight. Pic related is what cultural change looks like.As I suspected, you have absolutely no perspective. I bet you've never even left your home country. I bet you don't even know what other cultures fucking look like, having never experienced genuine culture shock in your life.Culture shock is real, and when you begin to feel it in your own country you will hate the immigrants who cause it with an intensity that will blot out any compunction or compassion, and then the pogroms will begin on both sides. Like in Armenia. Like in the Balkans. Like in Saudi Arabia. Like in Ireland. Like in Russia/the USSR. Like in China. Like in Japan. Like in the USA, when the settlers arrived.Enjoy your "culture change".
>>84566077>Okay, one hug
>>84566312"original" jumbo pop scene was terrible.
>>84551652I'm willing to bet it's some sort of internal politics thing. It's really the only logical explanation to why you'd ignore such a highly profitable film, especially considering how they went full bore with Frozen.
>>84565869..you can still be a storyboard artist.
>>84566332You're terrible. I love the 'adding various ailments to someone to get sympathy' gag, it'll never get old for me.
>>84551652>minimal advertisingbasement dweller...
>>845663381. it was a wild card2.international means shit2. summer gap is filled with dory3. holliday season in far far away of course they know they can milk zootopia from now on 4.disney don't announce sequels spinoffs or specials 6 months after the movie's premiere.it's just bunch of whiny impatient grasshoppers.
>>84555359I think Moana wil be recieved like "Yeah...uh...ok. THAT happened." It's just too...uh..."non-white". Frozen took off like crazy dude to being uber-caucasian princess bullshit (90% of it's success can be attributed to that), and 2 decent songs.
>>84566285Hahaha what the fuck? Since when does culture shock lead to pogroms? Sounds like you're projecting your xenophobia a bit there, anon, trying to convince us it's a human universal.I've bounced around Europe and lived in a couple places in the US. I've felt my share of culture shock. But more importantly, I live in Los Angeles, which hardly even has a unified culture. I grew up around Mandarin and Cantonese speakers, and the average person I run into on the street or on the Metro could speak any number of languages, but their English is almost always poor. It feels weird to see other white people at all. And I fucking love it.I'm surrounded by immigrants every day, anon. But where are the pogroms? Cultures change even just over a few decades; it's only recently been "normal" to be gay, and given a few more decades, there will be more "normal"s that we can't even imagine today. That's what I'm saying -- you just gotta accept this shit, because it's already happening anyway.
>>84566192>Cultures change, stop crying about it.It's not about cultures it's about values that give most amount of people the best possible life.There are certain values that must be put above all else.>>84566285https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tektsSH-R08:30 is where she says something that should be shown to every person that is so willing to just let their values slide into something else, because "cultures change" as the other anon put it, that comes off so nonchalant as to guarantee that the person saying that is taking their freedoms for granted.People need to put things in perspective when it comes to values and culture, there are some that are better than others, values more fair than others, there is no reason to just let them die in some sort of spineless tolerance that values nothing but itself, which itself will be lost in any other culture.
>>84565682Not according to the idiots running the countries. EVERYBODY must be let in.
>>84566546>I'm surrounded by immigrants every day, anon. But where are the pogroms?Baton Rouge.But seriously, your post reeks of early 20s "adulthood". You know so much about cultural change over decades despite having been alive for less than three, and actually functional as a semi-independent and responsible human being for probably less than one. Gee kid, tell me more about your life experiences :).I think that's a reference you'll get.>That's what I'm saying -- you just gotta accept this shit, because it's already happening anyway.Wrong. Far right parties have had meteoric rises in the last few years. The UK literally just left the EU over what was basically a border debate. Trump's entire platform is "fuck Mexicans, and fuck illegal Mexicans in particular". Your assumption that this is inevitable is fuelled by the fact that this is all you've ever known, because you're still a fucking child who has been a participating member of society for a couple of years at most.>it's only recently been "normal" to be gay"I wasn't here for the 1970's" - the post.But this has all been a prelude to the single best, most hilarious part of your post:>I've bounced around Europe and lived in a couple places in the US. I've felt my share of culture shock.You are a fucking moron. You've never left your comfy bubble of Western enlightenment principles and classical government. You don't know a fucking thing. Even the immigrants you know are westernised versions of what their country is actually like. You think you've accomplished something because in your short life you've never actually had the chance to do the things that I'm talking about, and so don't understand the difference between tooling around England in a rental car and trekking through rural China with barefoot lawyers.Don't ever post again.
Why do these kinds of discussions have to happen in every single thread?Can't we just go back to jerking off to smug animal people?
>>84566192>the Natives did a poor job protecting their land and culture, so we should tooHow does this make any sense? That's like saying "this person drank poison and died, so we should too."
>>84566983Who says I'm not doing that too?I can maintain my erection without stimulation for up to half an hour while I formulate complex evidence-based arguments on 4chan before returning to fapping.
>>84566983Dreams of jacking off to animals died when moot declared he would never create a furry board (except that one time where he made a honeypot)
>>84566764Are these all things you've done anon? How old are you? Have you been trekking through rural China with barefoot lawyers? Why is that a thing you did? Why lawyers? I am honestly curious.I've been around a lot longer than you assume, but fuck I'm not claiming to not live in some kind of bubble. I'm only one person with pretty limited means. But I've made some attempts at being aware of the world to the best of my ability, and accepting the shit in it. And it's the current states of civil unrest I see that I feel people like you are only perpetuating. It's this weird, creepy xenophobia, a desperation to maintain the status quo, because that's what you feel the most comfortable with. I understand the temptation to keep stuff as it is, the devil that you know and all that, but shit changes. That's what I'm saying. You have to be zen about this shit. We gotta get everybody to be zen about this shit. I only have my limited perspective, but it seems like having a fairly well educated heterogeneous population is a pretty effective way to get people to be okay with this shit.Anyway, this has devolved into super/pol/, but it still kinda relates thematically to this children's film that was made by an international slave labor corporate money machine that I love.
>>84551652Did you think a sequel was going to be released a few months after the first movie? You're an idiot.
>>84567382>honeypotI don't remember this.
>>84567529I wasn't there so maybe it never occurred but iirc moot made a board for furries for one day then banned everyone in it.
>finally watch Zootopia the other day>scene where other kids put a muzzle on child Nick >so sad>wait>think about what a muzzle could even mean in a world of anthropomorphic animals>wonder where the hell a bunch of kids would even get one>realization
>>84568441Muzzles are probably used when detaining predators like bears and tigers if they try to bite cops
>>84557052Oh my god is that Chris Sanders' work?
>>84566538Is this a real post?
>>84568465Those predators are substantially larger, even Nick fully grown is nowhere near tigers and bears, he's barley larger than Judy.
>>84569013A small predator can still deliver a nasty bite.
>>84569013The one used on Nick was definitely for smaller preds, like a Honey Badger