https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3_NnhREGw&nohtml5=FalseIs he right /co/?
>>81691995I didn't know it was possible to be this monotone.
I agree with the Shakira thing.
>>81691995It's like some kind of even lower-rent Red Letter Media.Christ.
>>81691995meh....Uninspired and and over-wrought.
>>81691995He is just looking for excuses. The movie is fine. A lot of work and thinking went into it and those minor points don't do much damage to it.
buckle up
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>>81691995I saw it with a kid, the only thing the kid took away from the movie is that in real life he's constantly being told he can be anything he wants and in this move he was shown that, that's not true unless you work really hard at it.It seemed to have been some sort of revelation as it sort of blew his mind that his goals are not going to be attainable through simple means and that others will stand in his way and be disagreeable.So, I guess that's actually a pretty good lesson to get out of this movie, the racial stuff sort of flew right by him or he just saw it as a dumb joke without meaning.
>>81691995Better question is: What the hell is this?https://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2016/04/09/zootopia-granted-rare-extension-likely-become-disneys-highest-grossing-movie-china
>>81692506Welp, China will become a Capitalist wasteland by the end of the year. RIP forever.
>>81692430I still want The Wolf Among Us crossover comics
>>81692423More please
>>81692506>“In a world of cruel reality, it is always a wolf that eats a sheep instead of the other way round. Such a fundamental concept that even a child could understand was easily turned around by Hollywood,”I guess the PLA doesn't like happy endings.
>>81692530China starts outsourcing to America, when?
>>81692485thats a fucking great lesson for todays kids, honestly I probably should have heard it more myself when I was younger
>the Chinese public like a movie about a corrupt middle management that seizes power through applied prejudiceheh
If this is the real Chinese dub, I wanna know who did Judy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5jBgTx1l2U
I agree with a lot. My biggest flaws with this movie is that the villain was literally just Hitler as far as motivations went. He brought that up as well as some minor things like rushing the ending and some bland sound/music choices.He gets caught up on shit like the blue berry for far too long and his final score is harsh when you consider how much he said he looked it on a not nit pick level, but not an inaccurate review.
>>81691995It's nice seeing that there are prominent(?) furries that are willing to actually critique the film instead of herald it as the second coming of Christ
>>81692485>I saw it with a kid, the only thing the kid took away from the movie is that in real life he's constantly being told he can be anything he wants and in this move he was shown that, that's not true unless you work really hard at it.ohh, that is good. We are too re-wired to think only about racism or sex due to media conditioning, sadly. How good we have someone to put things in the perspective.I also don't really like "racism" in the context of the movie, I would think "acceptance" would be a more accurate term, but maybe it's just me.
>>81692746The proper word, I think, is "prejudice".
>>81692506Pig American propaganda gets an extension? It's time the brave People’s Republic army steps in and stop the corrupt leaders!http://fortune.com/2016/04/07/china-newspaper-zootopia-american-propaganda/
>>81692802I guess you're right, totally agree, that's a more accurate term
>>81692819>the chinese can't see past the metaphor>are so afraid their regime is so fragile they get upset about an animated film>blast it with propaganda newspeak which makes rest of the world laugh about how cartoonish it iswhy can't some people just relax a little?
>>81692850China's government is pissed scared that the appeal of the Communist party has worn thin and anything could cause a massive anti-government protest they can't handleIt's too late to go full North Korea so they are stuck having to give the people freedom while trying to pick and choose what could possible make the public of China finally take on the government
>>81692850>Implying this kind of bullshit doesn't happen in every country.Or maybe I just think that because I live in West Korea.
>>81692850I just love how part of their freak-out is "wolves are supposed to eat sheep, not the other way around". Yeah buddy, that's called "a twist" (even though it was obvious).
>>81692430I love this comic, the art is perfect
>>81692907>West Koreaso you carved our your own domain on the Korean peninsula? That's badass.
>>81692925Meant it more symbolically than that, but yeah. That would be badass.
>>81691995100%
>>81692956Oh boy. Only the Peoples Republic of China can save me now.
>>81691995Pretty much every problem with the movie is due to the hasty rewrite. Byron and the story team had a story they really wanted to do and put a lot of thought and care into, then had to change it into a completely different movie it in a very short amount of time. It's amazing the movie turned out as good as it did - compared to say, Frozen, where every aspect of the movie feels rushed and unfulfilling. But when you think about the story you really feel how rushed it is. The whole plot progresses almost completely thanks to coincidences and lucky breaks, and the last act is pretty weak. The villain's boring and does the now tired "last minute surprise villain" schtick. The stakes are too low and everything works out way too neatly.
>>81693208Byron and the team were smart as fuck as to develop the world before the story which made it easier to make the changes compared to Frozen that went so far as to switch to CG and completely change it's plot and do a complete 180
>>81691995>Blueberries were built up twice and that's too much foreshadowing>I don't like that this children's film didn't mix up this specific part of the buddy cop structure enough, even though children will have never seen a buddy cop movie before>Overall 6/10wutI feel like he was mainly set out to not like this film based on the furries thing, because his nitpicks are pretty damn minor for the most part and given how he mentions furries furries take pictures of furries furries market to furries fetish fetish furries furries about a million fucking times. He even does that annoying thing where he starts attributing innocent shit to the producers trying to work in the fetish crowd, because the fat cat police guy was definitely created to draw in the 0.5% of the population who's into fat gay furries, for sure.
>>81692612What instincts are they resisting?
vore when
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>Judy has a botanical knowledge of all plants>Grew up next to Nighthowlers on her family farm (which her parents instruct everyone to avoid).>Doesn't know what nighthowlers are.You can't defend this. If Judy knew the thing she logically should have known from experience, everything after her promotion wouldn't have happened.
>>81692819>A rabbit counteracting its timid nature to play a savior is messaging the American Dream—that anyone can make it—the editorial said.And this is bad why? Is China's government basically saying "know your place, and don't try to be anything that we didn't order you to be?"China really is a weird country.
>>81693649the need to breed
>>81692401>The movie is fine.meh.
>>81693649The urge to merge.
>>81693649The compulsion to copulate
>>81691995The falling out scene didn't come out of nowhere though. Judy had fox repellent since she first went to the city. It may be something all cop movies do, but it wasn't forced.
>>81693816Came here to say this. Not only did they make a point of showing her parents' prejudices, which obviously influenced her, even if he didn't want to admit it, this plays on the whole theme of the movie. I'm usually the first one to complain about that formula, which is why I was impressed with just how much it actually worked here.
>>81691995I agree with some of his criticisms but it deserves a higher score than he gave Frozen
>>81693698I don't think you understand how a pre-Type II Civilization version of Communism is supposed to work.
>>81692674Huh. Sound volume seems a bit inconsistent. And apparently the phrase "Long time no see" is known amongst all Asian countries. I have to wonder how many saw that vs. how many saw it Chinese-subtitled.
>>81693881He still liked it though. His reviews are supposed to be negative.
>>81693698>Is China's government basically saying "know your place, and don't try to be anything that we didn't order you to be?"did Tiannaman Square just go over your head?
>>81693694Judy knows about midnicampum holicithias. She'd never heard "night howlers" used in conjunction with the flower, and she'd never heard the Uncle Terry story so she didn't know its effects. As far as she knew, it was just a flower that was meant for decoration.
>>81692819The only reason they're calling it propaganda is because zootopia isn't portrayed as a bland shithole like the populace is used to.
>>81694003Don't be sirry. Nothing ever happen at Tiananmen Square.
Wait, isn't this a film? And isn't this a board for cartoons and comics?Shouldn't this be on /tv/?
>>81694080It's on /co/ all the time
>>81694080>filmexplain at what point of the movie's production film was used?
>>81692907>Or maybe I just think that because I live in West Korea.Is that the place where K-Country comes from?
>>81693649The pressure to populate.
>>81694009>know the Latin name but not the common name that is used in her own townThat's dumb.
>>81694080Cartoon/2D/3D animated movies fall under /co/.
>>81694257Guys what if Judy is an egghead?
>>81694257To be fair, it didn't seem like her parents knew the common name either. The folk story about the flowers was probably only told in certain families, like Gideon's.
Why don't you furries go to /trash/ where you belong?!
>>81694353We will as soon as you go to /r9k/ where you belong. :^)
>>81694003It's just that everyone was saying China is modernizing and they're not like that anymore, because they un-banned Star Wars. I guess they haven't changed all that much though.
>>81693698>Is China's government basically saying "know your place, and don't try to be anything that we didn't order you to be?"...do you seriously not know how China works?>a weird countrytechnically, we're the weird ones. We freedom-of-mobility countries are outnumbered by the societies out there that just have 'BE CONTENT WITH WHERE YOU ARE' hardcoded into their cultures' DNA. And yeah, I'm not letting India/Pakistan/Bangladesh off with their caste system either.to be fair, our perverse brand of capitalism kinda does enforce this as well
>>81694490>to be fair, our perverse brand of capitalism kinda does enforce this as wellDe-facto we do have classes in the US, but at least we make people feel good by promising them upward mobility even if most of them will never move up.
>>81694131Maybe in some backwater theater you can see the movie on a film reel, but I imagine those are pretty rare.Film is actually fast becoming obsolete, to the point where the few remaining companies that manufacture film for movies are considering ceasing production. I think Quentin Tarantino has threatened to stop making movies if he has to go digital, and some other spoiled whiners are also trying to campaign to keep film in production. The fact of the matter is that there's really no advantage to using traditional film anymore other than snobbery, and there's an entire generation of directors now who have never even touched a film camera.
>>81694548True. We're only stuck where we are in practice. But the ideal of the system is, we can be anything...wait, where have I heard that before?And usually, it's the other people in the other classes that attempt to prevent lowers from moving into their classes - many of them see it as a zero-sum game where for every schmoe who gets to their level, that diminishes where they are.I'm just thankful i was born into the 'right' family.Just like some citizens of Zootopia are probably thankful they were born into the 'right' species.
>>81694594I bet film still exists for a lot of worldwide releases. Over here, some of the theaters I *think* are still primarily analog. I've seen delivery boys carrying reels in those round metal cases, shuffling them from theater to theater.
>>81691995He had some good points and some dumb points.
>>81694594IIRC one of the main advantages to film currently is that it can be projected at a higher resolution, though that's not really something most people would care about.Personally, I love film grain, so a movie shot on film always has that little bonus for me. Of course, it works better for some genres than for others. But yeah, there isn't really a need for it anymore considering how far digital has progressed. Not to mention the failure rate of film projectors is so high compared to digital ones.
>>81694009The point is that she has more reason to know the colloquial name than the botanical one. You'd have to believe she never left her house or asked her parents why they were never allowed to touch this flower. It's just lazy writing.
>>81694943When you're not too fond of where you live (Bunnyborrow) and want to be something that bad (cop), it's believable you'll place more importance on things you learn in the latter context than the former.I'm an ichthyologist and I know the scientific names of most fish I see at a local market. I don't know crap what their colloquial common/lay names are though. Even though those are the names that my grandma/aunts/maids use for them. I just know them by their scientific names period.
>>81694943>the colloquial nameI'd assume, as an earlier anon said, that her parents didn't know. They referred to them by the botanical name to those other kids, and I think had they known the term "Nighthowler" they would've used that instead. I'm not sure if it was entirely a colloquial name.Now, Judy may have known about the effects this flower could have, but with no knowledge of the term Nighthowler being applied to them, that information was likely irrelevant. I'd guess she was somewhat suspicious of Duke stealing them specifically, but at that time she had no direct connection with the names.
>>81694943You'd be surprised at how often kids just accept being told not to do something without questioning it. The kid doesn't care if the thing is something that doesn't effect their lives like, "don't touch those flowers".It's a little contrived because this is a movie, but it's not that bad.
1/2Ok I just saw this movie today, heres my review.AnimationIs done well, at times its obvious where budget cuts are made when background characters have no animation whatsoever. ThemesIts way to obvious that this film is just saying "dont be racist". The seperation between prey and predators is an odd one, since Predators are carnivores, but we'll skip over that detail.Its obvious the movie wants to show that minorities are not to be feared, which is true, however the "Predator attacks" allude to terrorist attacks and in this sense predators are supposed to represent those from the middle east, in particular muslims.Lets take a case study of sweden or germany; increased crime, rape, decreased standards of living are in direct correlation with the increase of immigrants. Does this movie intend to say "ignore this, not all muslims are bad!"? It also hints at inclusivity programs being a benefitial thing to the modern workplace. However, the main difference is that Humans are one species whereas Zootopia accomidates for seemingly unlimited species thus the point isnt portrayed correctly since it is a false equivalence.CharactersThe character design in the film is executed well however the roles of the characters leave us questioning the writers decisions. Predators are revealed to be a minority later on into the movie yet they appear to dominate Zootopia.
>>81693673Wait for Jungle Book man, you'll get your kink then.
>>816951012/3StoryThis is the part that left me dissapointed. Zootopia sets out to be a drama/ mystery while also exploring global issues. The mystery part of the story is constantly disappointing. The major plot twist being that the Lamb sectrary is the mastermind comes too far out of the blue. When she becomes mayor our suspicions are raised as she previously had not been a suspect. However twists like this mark bad mystery writing as it doesn't llet the viewer solve the mystery along with the detective. The evidence with the case is not displayed in a manner that leaves an air of mystery to the case. The "night howl" being a flower thats been weaponized comes out of the blue and feels like poor detective writing to an already weak story about a minority making it within the "big city"FandomThe pandering to furries is apparent through the film, with different sections of the film fan servicing each fandom. Baby furs, nudists, wolf furries and the like share screen time. While not neccesarily a bad thing we have to question whether or not this is pandering to an audience with a mental deficiency and reinforcing their behaviors. Perhaps meant as a means to market to a larger and older audience it also promotes inclusion similar to homosexual movements of modern times, although we see no non traditional relationships within the film.
>>81695121>>816951013/3A highly questionable part of the film is the dead obvious Breaking bad references with both the "night howl" laboratory producing a blue liquid and verbal references to "Jessie and Walter" the protagonists of the series. Seemingly innocent to anyone without knowledge of the topic, the respirator mask used during production is the first dead give away as well as the attire worn by the lab worker. Does this reflect on our societies modern values and perhaps how we have come to partially accept drug culture as part of modern day life.ConclusionFor a disney film Zootopia is incredibly in depth in its political aspects. Rarely does an animated or childrens film leave us questioning the morality of our modern society, perhaps the only film of its class to carry such subliminal political messages aimed at both children and the parents.- nazrinOverall I give the film about a 4/10 mainly due to the fact its not subtle enough and the mystery aspect sucks. The comedy with flash was pretty weak too