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Why aren't there majestic and beautiful moments in cartoons anymore? They might have nice stories and some catchy tunes but they don't have those scenes that combine music, visuals, and drama to produce iconic moments.

Think of the stampede in The Lion King, or the end when he roars in the rain after defeating scar.

Think of Quasimodo holding Esmerelda above his head while yelling "SANCTUARY!" as Paris burns below. Think of Frollo seeing Esmerelda in the flames and shadows as he sings about his sins to sacred latin chants.

Think of the Huns slowly appearing on top of that mountainside and then charging. Think of Mulan turning around to that crowd of hundreds bowing to her after she saves the Emperor.

Nothing feels emotionally epic anymore. Cartoons might have big cool action scenes or really sad parts, but they don't feel ICONIC.

A girl might sing a catchy song on a snowy mountaintop, or you might feel bad for a fox and a rabbit, but there's no equivalent to any of the stuff I've listed above. The epicness is missing.
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>>80894811
That's easy to answer... 'epicness' (and fuck you for making me say that) is subjective, and you've become jaded. It's you who is broken, and not the rest of the world.
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Films have gotten more fast paced. They can't linger on moments too long or the kids will get bored.
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Elsa's transformation was pretty iconic and epic.
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>>80894811
entertainment has been slowly but surely moving away from pageantry towards relatability as time goes on. look at old OLD movies and how much time they spend on big long slow pans of beautiful landscapes and just listening-to-an-orchestra-play.
look at musicals and how many times they repeated the same lines while dancing, because look! singing and dancing! that's great right?
life used to be this drudge of mundanity, now it's something we dont even GET anymore, it's hard to have friends or relationships, so that's all we really wanna see. just people hanging out and talking. we dont give a shit about music, we can just pop open the internet and there's music. all of it. all the music. you cant just instantly find a video about people talking and being normal though.
i wish porn would catch up with this. guys, nobody cares about the SPECTACLE of sex. i want interesting and erotic situations with real-sounding people talking to each other (or better, to the camera)
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>>80894811
Turn off your nostalgia goggles.
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>>80895319
Visually nice, but not nearly as emotional and dramatic as Mufasa in the clouds.
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>>80895299
Thanks, now I'm imagining a slow helicopter pan of an epic outdoor sex scene with the theme to Lord Of The Rings blaring in the background.

That is the image I will carry with me for the rest of the day.

Good show.
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>>80895299
You mean to tell me you don't like obnoxiously loud bimbos or distracting dialogue?
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>>80895019
>>80895103
>>80895319

These.
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>>80895299
I miss pageantry. I'm not that old but I guess the times have left me behind. I get enough of the mundane in real life.
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>>80895299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc
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>>80895019
First post does it again
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>>80895299
>>80895448
Pageantry and melodrama in fiction is great, as long as it doesn't overstay its welcome. Mufusa in the clouds is a perfect example. Audiences these days would see it as hammy or cliche, or over the top, and not a wild emotional revelation or outburst.

Not to get all religious, but I think Christians were on to something with the Spiritual Desert.
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>>80895319
This was really beautiful.
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>>80895531
Watching this always makes me angry.
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>>80895019
/thread
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>>80895373
Then what of the king and queen quietly lifting the first light into the sky, or the slow, sweeping shot of all the lanterns lighting up as the music swells?

That was touching and beautiful. They're still looking for her. They all are.
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>>80895735
I know. The idea that a can of poop or a glass of water on a shelf being art pisses me off as well.
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>>80895373
This. There's nothing grand, enthralling, or anything that would convey the immensity of say, the Lion King or Notre Dame. It's a pretty moment but there's really no power to it.
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>>80895803
The fact that the people still seem concerned about it gets me. And I love how the parents didn't get any speaking lines, but they said a lot in their scenes.
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>>80895863
See >>80895803
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>>80894811
>scenes that combine music, visuals, and drama to produce iconic moments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

and >>80895319 applies perfectly too, oldfags
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>>80895895
The fact that the king was the one crying while his wife comforted him really got to me. I know a couple who lost a child and the wife was able to hold it together but the husband was bawling. Something about large, older men expressing sadness or pain feels so much stronger than other people doing it: they're the ones most expected to be strong and steady, after all.

And, considering Rapunzel's being a healer and her mother looking extremely similar to her, it's sort of a "like mother, like daughter" moment to have her mother comfort her father. Little touches that humanize and draw their broken family together.
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>>80894811
I dont like this because redhead men cant be attractive
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>>80895636
don't know if i've heard that particular term before. but yeah i agree with you. lion king got it just right. SOME serious drama, SOME goofball comedy.. it had a mix of everything. in all my work i try to mix a little of every mood in
because as much as I love, say, Mary Poppins, I gotta say i always fall asleep at the long drawn-out sequences that are only there because 60s audiences weren't as easily bored.
but i'm sure every generation says this. i like the lion king's mix best because i was born in 1985 and it's my favorite movie.
>>80896153
it doesn't help that he's drawn like a faggott. at least they got the girl right.
>>80895994
i was just focused on how much he looked like deniro
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https://youtu.be/ln0UXMfZmCo

I think the examples in the thread all count fine. Let it Go and ISTL (especially the silent beginning with her parents) both have stuck with me the same way Ariel at the end of TLM becoming human or Kerchek saying Tarzan is his son do
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>>80895636
There's a reason that the Abrahamic God was so closely related to the wilderness that it took an entire covenant for Him to be willing to have actual temples and not just alters in the middle of nowhere.
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This scene is gorgeous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1aIzVSs0no



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