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Bunnpool Wade Hopps?
What animal would other heros be in Earth-Z00?
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>>80746962
>turned Judy into literal cancer
20 years, iso-cubes, scum
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Spider-Man would probably be a cat.
Cat woman would probably be a crow.
The Crow would probably be a spider.
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Bump
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>>80746962
Earth-200
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>What is Earth-8311?
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>>80747075
Ironically, I could see this working.
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>>80748334
Doesn't that Earth operate on cartoon physics?
You want what the world was like in Howard The Human.
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>>80746962
>Bunnpool

To also be written by Cullen Bunn?
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>>80746962
>not Deadpoodle

missed opportunity
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>>80748967
How Zootopia dogs developed to different breeds if human wasn't there to breed them?
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>>80746962
>This thread was made two hours ago
>There are now four threads for this movie
I'm not mad mostly due to the fact they are different discuss posts but also why?
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>>80751268
No dogs in Zootopia. But they did have pigs for some reason.
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>>80751350
Autists. Flavor of the month.
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>>80746962
Bunny don't you mean Pony ?
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>>80751350
Furfaggots trying to force this mediocre movie to be the new epic meme.
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>>80751707
>if something is popular, it must mean the fans are autistic
Too bad not everyone's into Italian cartoons from the 1960's like you, hipster faggot.

>>80752339
>waah, it's got anthropomorphic characters in it!
>it's really cool to hate those, right?
>am I an oldfag now?
GTFO, underage B&.
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>>80747075
>Not Peter Porker, the Spectacular Spider-Ham
CASUALS GET OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUT
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>>80752977
It is a really, really mediocre movie, though. We're talking Dreamworks level.
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>>80746962
>"Go see zootopia, you´ve allready seen deadpool"
>mfw
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>>80753051
Did you see it? If so, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, which others are perfectly entitled to ignore. If no, shut up.
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>>80751350
This. Some Zootopia threads are actually pretty good. Lots of concept art discussion and art book stuff and talk about the scrapped first version of the movie.

It's just that OPs of it are usually very bad, and there are often three threads. It just gives a reason for others to complain that Zootopia threads are "clogging" up /co/. If you like Zootopia, don't do something like that.
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The movie is still coming out in a lot of countries. That's why you see constant threads about it. It's not even out in the UK. It's not even that bad.
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>>80753188
I did. I really tried to like it, too.

But here are some problems.

75% of the movie is filled with Nick and Judy having a "Who can be a bigger smug asshole" contest

As a result of the above, DREAMWORKS FACE FUCKING EVERYWHERE

The specieism::racism metaphor blows its load in the first five minutes and just plateaus for the rest of the movie

The characters get out of many bad situations due to coincidence. Coincidence is good for getting your characters into shit, but bad for getting them out of it.

Did I seriously see a fucking oh-so topical godfather reference in a 2016 movie coupled with an oh-so topical jersey shore reference?

The mystery is poorly handled, as all of the key information only comes in the last act (seriously Judy knows so much about the night howlers, including their genus and species, but doesn't know the symptoms of ingesting them even though it happened to her uncle?) and the twist of the sheep and the grapes was so goddamn predictable

The writing is more heavy-handed than lead boxing gloves (both of the protagonists "traumatic backstory" moments include the bullies saying "You're just an X, therefore you have [list of traits attributed to X]") and the movie lacks any semblance of subtlety.

The movie ends on a stupid fucking dance party to some stupid fucking pop song like it's Shrek or Hotel Transylvania or something. Can CG films just leave this trope behind? It is seriously embarrassing.

The concept is good, the animation has the Disney polish, but the execution makes me want to vomit.
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>>80746962
I don't know why I like this, maybe cause it's cute bunny deadpool but where is the connection between the two?
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>>80753051
Nigga this is the first time in recent years that Disney put out a good movie. And surprisingly, even better than recent Pixar stuff.
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>>80753626
>Good
Uh, no. It's not good. Just because it has a nice message does not mean the movie is good. It's better than The Good Dinosaur, but that's not hard. Big Hero 6, Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph, and even Frozen are better than this.
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>>80753716
>Frozen
>better than this
Get out.
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>>80753741
Frozen's deeply overrated, but for fuck's sake at least the characters aren't smug assholes to each other for the vast majority of the movie.
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>>80752977
I don't hate the movie you insipid shit smear, I hate faggots like yourself.
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>>80753556
Well, as I said, you are entitled to your opinion just as much as other people are entitled to not give a shit about it.
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>>80753716
>Big Hero 6, Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph, and even Frozen are better than this.
>BH6/10
>Frozen
Jesus christ. Jesus fucking christ. When you have that shit of a taste, there's no helping you.
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>>80753851
I didn't even read it
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>>80753856
Sorry. They don't have your precious furwaifus, but they're still better than Disney's Madagascar.

Seriously, Zootopia is exactly "Animals doing things they don't normally do and then they make the face."
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>>80753968
>furwaifus
Nice projecting there, anon.
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>>80753851
Refute a point or shut the fuck up.
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>>80753556
mostly correct. you'll be shouted down by furries though, since this is like the second coming of jesus to them.
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>>80753985
Man, it's like whenever an idiot on the internet gets called out they have to scream PROJECTION, PROJECTION, and the word's lost all meaning.
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>>80754025
I'm not even that anon. I'm just wondering, how do you know that he only likes the movie for the waifus?
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>>80753968
Nigga I ain't even waifuing any of the characters, nor did I write a fucking wall of text about it, but I still legitimately think you have atrocious taste.

Jesus christ, BH6 is terrible aside from its death of a loved one message. Frozen obviously has terrible rewrites and that god-awful trolls.

You don't need to be a furry to see how Zootopia is better than BH6 or Frozen. And usually I get triggered getting called a furry for simply liking this movie, but nigga I don't even mind this time after knowing I don't have terrible tastes like you. I am seriously bewildered right now.
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>>80754083
Because my assessment (see here >>80753556) is that the only good things about the movie are the basic premise, the character designs, and the animation, so a furry would be super into that.
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>>80754151
So you're just going to assume that every adult that have watched this movie...is a furry. What kind of logic is that?
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>>80754127
>Jesus christ, BH6 is terrible aside from its death of a loved one message. Frozen obviously has terrible rewrites and that god-awful trolls.
You know, it's funny, I don't disagree at all. But they're still better than Zootopia by a noticeable margin. I could at least get through those movies and come out of them not feeling sick. Zootopia actually made me physically ill while I was watching it.

>>80754199
Not everyone that has watched it, just the people who praise it as a great movie when its flaws are so abhorrent and plentiful.
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>>80751350
Because the mods here refuse to let Zootopia have a general, because they're all swearing up and down that it's going to be /frz/ all over again.
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>>80753968
>Zootopia is exactly "Animals doing things they don't normally do and then they make the face."

Confirmed for never seen the movie.
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>>80754232
>Zootopia actually made me physically ill
ain't even subtle
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>>80754232
>actually made me physically ill while I was watching it.
m8 I seriously think you have a different problem than merely "disliking" this movie.

Aside from having godawful tastes though.
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>>80754259
Could I have written >>80753556 without having seen the movie, idiot?

You want some dreamworks face? I'll give you some dreamworks face.
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>>80754310
>this movie poster means it's just smugness 90% of the movie
ok
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>>80754289
>>80754295
I'm not joking or trolling. I came out of the theater with a headache. Maybe it was from grinding my teeth every time one of the protagonist was a smug asshole or the movie had a groanworthy, hamfisted line.
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>>80754359
haha ok
(You)
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>>80754350
Oh, you think it's just one movie poster.
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>>80754359
I hope it's real because I'm happy you got a headache from grinding your teeth. I'm not even crazy for this movie, but anyone who thinks BH6 and Frozen are better deserve at least a headache.
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>>80754385
animators don't usually decide to put that face there, anon

publishers literally say things like "The characters need more attitude" for movie posters
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>>80754242
Ah, I see. Instead of having one "general" thread at the top of the catalog for months, we'll instead have half-a-dozen nominally distinct threads with similar content at the top of the catalog for months.
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>>80754411
>rabbit doesn't even have a dreamworks face
ok
so you basically just have autism at this point
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>>80754445
No. He's saying that the characters being smug is bad.
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>>80754409
None of the three movies are legitimately good. But Zootopia has the laziest, least subtle writing out of them and the most annoyingly smug characters.

>>80754419
The problem is that the writers ALSO thought "The characters need more attitude." How many times do Judy or Nick say something akin that amounts to "Haha, I have put you in a situation where you have to do the thing I want!" Nick even smugly condescends to the goddamn police.
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>>80754478
so he has autism

>>80754493
>sly fox archetype acts smug
wow

http://youhaveautism.com/
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>>80754493
>STOP BEING SMUG ALL OF THE TIME ITS HURTING ME ;_;
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>>80754493
2 times
literally happened 2 times

unless you count a third minor time, but that'd be autistic
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>>80754493
I hope you are legit triggered over the smugness because I am having fun here
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>>80754519
>defending a cliche on the grounds that it is a cliche
wow
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>>80754583
>a disney film uses archetypes
wow!
>being unable to enjoy archetypes
>not realizing Nick has his own traits aside from the archetype
wow
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>>80754578
Poe's law man, you just gotta believe.
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>>80754616
We might trigger that anon, famarama
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>>80754536
So you admit that the characters are just smug assholes?

>>80754574
No, it's like every other scene with each other. Even the fucking climax where they get the villain is the two of them being smug assholes to the mayor and her thugs before things look safe.

>>80754578
Look, real life isn't an internet forum or a CBS sitcom where people just throw witty zingers at each other. If you want your characters to feel real, making them condescending douchebags isn't the way to go.
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>>80754310
Oh, look a Dreamworks face... that isn't even in the fucking movie.
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>>80754662
>If you want your characters to feel real, making them condescending douchebags isn't the way to go.
have you never gone outside
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>>80754662
No. I'm saying that you're a sensitive faggot.
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i know it's bait and /co/ is slow on the uptake but i want to believe he's legit triggered
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>>80754695
If everyone's a condescending douchebag to you, maybe you're the problem.

>>80754630
The problem is that Nick isn't the only smug asshole. Judy is also a smug asshole throughout the film. Who in their right mind decided BOTH protagonists should just be as patronizing as possible?
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>>80754662
But 4chan is full of condescending douchebags.
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>>80754728
Whatever makes you feel better about your terrible, lazily written movie.
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>>80754643
I know, anon.
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>>80754736
>condescending douchebags don't exist
hahahahahahahaha
hahahahahaha
hahahaha
haha

>judy reacts to nick's condescendingness with condescendingness because judy wants to prove herself
woooooooooooooooooow
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>>80754739
Exactly. I bet approximately 0% of them do that shit IRL because that's just now how the vast majority of people talk to each other.
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When is this shit going to be banished to /trash/?
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So is this just another Zootopia thread, or are we actually going to go somewhere with the characters re-imagined as Marvel characters.
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>>80754797
No it's a lets all laugh at the triggered autist thread now.
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>>80754776
>>condescending douchebags don't exist

Straw man.

>>judy reacts to nick's condescendingness with condescendingness because judy wants to prove herself

>i-it's okay because they both do it!
Seriously?
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>>80754662
Do you have a problem with the sly fox conman being smug? Do you also have a problem with the bunny being energetic or the sloths being slow?
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>>80754813
>No refutation
Predictable of people who like this movie.
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>>80754760
You're the 1% of people who hates this movie, anon.
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>>80754818
>Do you have a problem with the sly fox conman being smug?
I have a problem with the fact that 75% of the movie is eaten up by BOTH protagonists, not just the fox conman, being smug assholes.
>we have an idea for one character
>but what if it was two characters
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>>80754793
When people like you stop complaining.
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>>80754815
>straw man
>when you literally acted like they don't exist

>>i-it's okay because they both do it!
>Seriously?
now THAT'S a strawman

i was talking about how zootopia actually has one of the more complex/nuanced stories and characters written for a disney film in a very long time

but your autism got in the way of that, so oh well
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwowpASIOHo
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>>80754880
>majority of movie focuses on protagonists
woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
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>>80754892
>>when you literally acted like they don't exist

Another straw man.

>i was talking about how zootopia actually has one of the more complex/nuanced stories and characters written for a disney film in a very long time

Are you actually fucking serious right now? HEY GUYS, RACISM IS BAD is not a nuanced or complex story.
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>>80754893
DELETE THIS
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>>80754887
When you faggots stop spamming /co/ with this shit.
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>>80754919
So you literally can't even read the whole sentence?

Amazing.
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>>80754925
sure, if you oversimplify it like a fucking sperglord

>>>when you literally acted like they don't exist
>Another straw man.

see, you really did act like condescending douchebags don't exist outside in real life and can't ever be characters in a fucking cartoon about animals
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>>80754797
Obligatory
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>>80754952
You know you can hide things, right?
also
>STOP TALKING ABOUT CARTOONS ON A CARTOON BOARD
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>>80753556
>reasonable analysis of a movie
>with examples of weakness
>on my /co/
what the fuck
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>>80754973
>sure, if you oversimplify it like a fucking sperglord

Are you kidding me? The movie beats you over the head with it repeatedly. Did the "Uh, actually rabbits can call each other cute, but you can't call me cute" line not make you fucking groan?

>see, you really did act like condescending douchebags don't exist outside in real life
Point to where.
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>>80747037
Oh god, the puns
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>>80754955
it's not even near 75% them being smug, anon

>>80755022
that line was a joke
I don't even need to point to where; you said real life isn't an internet board or sitcom where people say witty zingers
when for one, it's a cartoon about animals
and for two, there are people like that in real life
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>>80755022
>Uh, actually rabbits can call each other cute, but you can't call me cute
I think that's a race joke. Like calling a black guy a nigga when you're not black.
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>>80755089
The more obvious one
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>>80755044
>it's not even near 75% them being smug, anon

It's pretty damn close. Every time I thought they were done with it, they brought it back.

>that line was a joke
No it wasn't. "Don't call me cute" comes back repeatedly. It's a hamfisted, unsubtle metaphor.

>I don't even need to point to where; you said real life isn't an internet board or sitcom where people say witty zingers
It's not. For the most part, people don't fucking interact like that.

>when for one, it's a cartoon about animals
This is a bullshit excuse. The internal fantastical logic of the movie has nothing to do with the relatability of the characters.

>and for two, there are people like that in real life
Yeah, those people get shunned for being condescending douchebags.
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>>80755089
Why will Bucky fair in CW? Give it to me straight.
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>>80755064
Oh gee, you don't fucking say? Hang on, is this movie one giant meatphor for racism!? Wow, it was so fucking subtle and elegant I didn't even notice!

Seriously, though, that's such a fucking hamfisted line that immediately blows the movie's load for its message and the rest of the movie is in the refractory period trying for an unsatisfying sloppy seconds.
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>>80755115
>that line was a joke
>No it wasn't. "Don't call me cute" comes back repeatedly. It's a hamfisted, unsubtle metaphor.
now this
now this is autism
go to bed

>It's not. For the most part, people don't fucking interact like that.
cartoon about animals

>This is a bullshit excuse. The internal fantastical logic of the movie has nothing to do with the relatability of the characters.
if you can't suspend disbelief then you've got some EXTREME mega autism

>Yeah, those people get shunned for being condescending douchebags.
they were pretty much shunned for a lot of the movie, retard
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>>80755115
>No it wasn't. "Don't call me cute" comes back repeatedly. It's a hamfisted, unsubtle metaphor.
You know those are two different things, right? "Don't call me cute" was because she wanted to be taken seriously. the "rabbits can all each other cute" was a joke.

Fucking idiot.
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>>80755159
>hamfisted
>a joke about cute rabbits
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>>80754519
he looks like he couldnt decide on which subgenre of douchebag to look like. So he just combined three of them.
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>>80755159
We really can't reason with you.
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>>80755226
ok
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>>80755163
You have no refutation, so you just say "autism."
>cartoon about animals

And again, I say this is a bullshit excuse. The internal fantastical logic of the movie has nothing to do with the relatability of the characters.

>if you can't suspend disbelief then you've got some EXTREME mega autism

Writing realistic characters has absolutely nothing to do with the realism of the setting. If you don't understand this, you really need to consume more media.

>they were pretty much shunned for a lot of the movie, retard

BUT NOT FOR BEING CONDESCENDING DOUCHEBAGS. Judy was shunned for being a go-getter and overstepping at her job. Nick was shunned for being a sneaky fox. Neither were shunned for being a smug asshole. In fact, being a smug asshole somehow managed to convince Bogo to let Judy have the rest of her 48 hours! Imagine doing that in real life - your friend's getting hassled by the cops and you just start smugly condescending to the cops. Do they let you go? No, they fine you for obstructing a police officer at the very least.
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>>80755184
Why are you still replying to him? Why are you all still replying to him? Just leave him be. He is free to think that Zootopia is terrible. Although you are all also free to mock him
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>>80747075
2 of them aren't mammals.
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>>80755199
>>80755184
It's not a joke about cute rabbits, though. It's a joke about racism. An extremely unsubtle joke about racism.

>>80755233
I tell you that the movie is unsubtle in delivering its message, giving an example of that time, and you tell me that the example was about the unsubtle message. What were you hoping to accomplish?
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>>80755287
>BUT NOT FOR BEING CONDESCENDING DOUCHEBAGS. Judy was shunned for being a go-getter and overstepping at her job. Nick was shunned for being a sneaky fox. Neither were shunned for being a smug asshole. In fact, being a smug asshole somehow managed to convince Bogo to let Judy have the rest of her 48 hours! Imagine doing that in real life - your friend's getting hassled by the cops and you just start smugly condescending to the cops. Do they let you go? No, they fine you for obstructing a police officer at the very least.

Mr.enter is that you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySxsUjWthfk
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>>80755305
I know anon.
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>>80755305
You don't have a refutation.
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>In fact, being a smug asshole somehow managed to convince Bogo to let Judy have the rest of her 48 hours!
>reasoning with Bogo got him to agree to do what he promised in the first place
lol?

>Do they let you go? No, they fine you for obstructing a police officer at the very least.
cartoon
animals

let me explain something to you, anon
Judy and Nick are built to play off of each other
now, remember it's a kid's movie, and witty one-liners are a part of the 'fun' or 'comedy' aspect of cartoons
the 'witty one-liners' is a result of being a form of entertainment, not a deep representation of human personalities as anthropomorphic animals
not only this, the relatively short runtime of the movie means it's difficult to spread things like that out realistically

fucking retard you man

>>80755341
>it's a joke about racism
yeah
>unsubtle
and? remember, kid's movie; it can't be 'subtle', whatever the fuck that entails for you

>>80755382
>m-muh refutations, moooom, why are people laughing at me?!
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>>80754880
If you managed to one-up the sly fox con man who had just played you and acted all smug about it, would you act all smug about that and rub his face in it? I know I would. It's the natural course for their interactions to take given the circumstances. I know these things can be a mystery for someone with your condition and that you tend to find that very frustrating, but you'll just have to take our word for it that the way Nick and Judy act makes all kinds of sense to the rest of us.
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Furries should be hanged from trees.
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>>80755341
It's a adult joke. Kids won't get it.
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>>80755421
>I know these things can be a mystery for someone with your condition and that you tend to find that very frustrating
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>>80755305
It is fun to mock disabled people in general and autists in particular.
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>>80755451
Ok.
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>>80755480
You could have ignored that but you didn't.
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>>80755501
Ok.
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>>80755501
Ok.
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>>80753612

the latest zootopia trailer

"Go see zootopia, you've already seen deadpool."
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>>80755526
Don't copy me, anon.
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>>80755401
>>reasoning with Bogo got him to agree to do what he promised in the first place

He was being a smug asshole. Bogo, previously shown to abhor disrespect, should've smacked him down. But nah, gotta let the smug asshole get away with it because his zingers were so witty!

>cartoon
>animals
Again, for the third time since your pea brain can't understand this, this is a bullshit excuse. The internal fantastical logic of the movie has nothing to do with the relatability of the characters.

>muh kids movie excuse
Fuck you. People like you are the reason we left the Pixar Golden Age behind and are stuck with Good Dinosaurs and Big Hero 6s and Frozens and Zootopias all over the place - because you think that kids are immune to the most basic principle of creative writing: "Show, don't tell."

If you had your way in the 90's the scene in Toy Story where Buzz tries to fly wouldn't have had him saying nothing and leaving all the meaning to the visuals - it would've had Buzz going, "I can fly! I can! Oh no, wait, what's going on? I-I'm falling?! But that means... I'm a toy!" and that tragic, beautiful moment would've been ruined.

Faith in the audience to understand from the story as a whole and not just from a script are why those movies were good. They wouldn't make a masterpiece like Wall-E, where there is almost no dialogue, with your sensibilities. Nah, gotta dumb it down for the kids! And you wonder why animation isn't taken seriously as a medium here? It's YOUR fucking fault.
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>>80755421
>If you managed to one-up the sly fox con man who had just played you and acted all smug about it, would you act all smug about that and rub his face in it?
Maybe once, but over and over and over throughout the movie? And it's not even just to each other - they do it to other characters too.
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>>80753716
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!

It's a kid's movie. Subtlety isn't high on the list.
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The movie is nice. Enjoyed alot aside from the constant story's moral mention every time. But that didnt runied it for me.
All im going to say is theres a reason why Furries are against the rules.
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>>80755597
>He was being a smug asshole. Bogo, previously shown to abhor disrespect, should've smacked him down. But nah, gotta let the smug asshole get away with it because his zingers were so witty!

Lmfao
It wasn't even a zinger
It was literally Nick ranting about how Bogo's being a huge asshole for no real reason


>muh kids movie excuse
Excuse me, allegory and metaphor for racial relations don't fall under the same category as showing that Buzz isn't able to fly

There are tons of subtle characterizations (such as Judy assuming Bogo not caring is part of machismo police culture, shown by a subtle facial expression), but then again, you're retarded
Not to mention the movie never EVER just says BTW PREDATORS ARE SYNONYMOUS FOR BLACKS

>>80755624
>Maybe once, but over and over and over throughout the movie? And it's not even just to each other - they do it to other characters too.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I don't think you paid that much attention to the dialog
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>>80755659
Please see: >>80755597
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>>80755597
>reasoning with Bogo got him to agree to do what he promised in the first place
He was being a smug asshole. Bogo, previously shown to abhor disrespect, should've smacked him down. But nah, gotta let the smug asshole get away with it because his zingers were so witty!

Jesus, you're retarded. He was helping judy because bogo was talking bullshit. He was never being smug in that scene.
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>>80755597
>Bogo, previously shown to abhor disrespect, should've smacked him down.
Look, Bogo is neurotypical. He's not going to go into a sperg rage and lose his job because he's frustrated by human, sorry... mammal interaction.
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Less arguing about dumb shit and taking obvious bait

More cute bun

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1457107122584.webm
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>>80755701
>It was literally Nick ranting about how Bogo's being a huge asshole for no real reason

Yeah, sure.
>Uh, no ;)
>You gave her 48 hours ;)
>That means she's still got, what, 10 left? ;)

Totally ranting.

>Excuse me, allegory and metaphor for racial relations don't fall under the same category as showing that Buzz isn't able to fly

Why not? Show, don't tell.

>Not to mention the movie never EVER just says BTW PREDATORS ARE SYNONYMOUS FOR BLACKS
They might as fucking well have. "Black people - er, I mean predators - are prone to violence because of their biology!" "White people - shit, I did it again - I mean, prey outnumber bla- er, uh, predators 10 to 1!"

That's the level of subtlety we're talking about. Side note: I love the implication of the movie that black people were savages before they coexisted with white people.
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>>80755817
>reasoning with Bogo got him to agree to do what he promised in the first place
He was being a smug asshole. Bogo, previously shown to abhor disrespect, should've smacked him down. But nah, gotta let the smug asshole get away with it because his zingers were so witty!
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>>80755817
>He was helping judy because bogo was talking bullshit. He was never being smug in that scene.
He was doing both.

>>80755823
He already showed that he does sperg rage about that shit. If a police captain got mouthed off to by some smug asshole, you bet your ass they'd go "Uh, excuse me, who are you? Don't tell me how to do my job."
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>>80755841
>HE WAS BEING SMUG WHILE RANTING SO IT'S NOT RANTING
Please kill yourself for being so autistic.
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>>80755897
Yeah. But it still counts as ranting.
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>>80755841
>Uh, no ;)
>You gave her 48 hours ;)
>That means she's still got, what, 10 left? ;)
Talk about missing 70% of the dialog right there
Did you somehow miss the part where Nick fucking says "You've given her 0 resources and she's still farther in the investigation than you fags" and Bogo looks mollified at himself

>>80755841
>That's the level of subtlety we're talking about. >Side note: I love the implication of the movie that black people were savages before they coexisted with white people.
Never implied; it's implied that calling them savages because of biology is retarded

>Why not? Show, don't tell.
It is shown and not told, but I mean, having dialog about the situation (which would happen anyway) is just too much for your autism, I guess

I don't think metaphor is for you
I could go on about how Wall-E isn't subtle at all about pollution (REALLY, PLANET'S RUINED BECAUSE GARBAGE EVERYWHERE, SO SUBTLE!) but you're retarded and that'd fly over your head
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>>80755919
>Rant: speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way
He wasn't speaking at length in a wild, impassioned way. Either way, he was being a smug asshole to the fucking police. I feel like you're not grasping that that's the problem here.
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>>80755961
>he was being a smug asshole to the police
>Bogo realizes Nick is right and agrees, because sometimes people realize they're wrong

wooooooooow
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>>80755960
>"You've given her 0 resources and she's still farther in the investigation than you fags" and Bogo looks mollified at himself
And you think this is a good, realistic moment? You think that's what would happen if a conman acted condescendingly to a police captain in front of his men?

>>80755960
>Never implied; it's implied that calling them savages because of biology is retarded
It is implied by the school play and it's still extremely unsubtle that Judy says that.

>It is shown and not told, but I mean, having dialog about the situation (which would happen anyway) is just too much for your autism, I guess

Nah. Everyone says "You can't be a cop because you're a rabbit" or "You can't be trusted because you're a fox." For the most part, it's all told, not shown.

>I could go on about how Wall-E isn't subtle at all about pollution (REALLY, PLANET'S RUINED BECAUSE GARBAGE EVERYWHERE, SO SUBTLE!) but you're retarded and that'd fly over your head

Difference being there are like six lines of dialogue in the movie. All of it is shown, not told. If Disney Studios made that movie today, they'd have Wall-E's cockroach friend talk and say "Boy, humans sure liked to throw their trash everywhere, huh?"
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>>80755961
>smug asshole
And? I'm just surprised that you're so upset about a guy being smug.
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>>80756028
>>Bogo realizes Nick is right and agrees, because sometimes people realize they're wrong
When someone acts like a condescending douchebag to them? That's definitely the exception and not the rule.
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>>80756078
>I WANT MY CARTOONY COP MOVIE TO BE REALISTIC
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>>80756081
It would be one thing if it were one scene and one character, but it's both of the protagonists for the duration of the movie. Imagine if instead of Shrek and Donkey, it was about two Donkeys. That would probably grate on you, wouldn't it?
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>>80756115
For the fourth time now, this is a bullshit excuse. The internal fantastical logic of the movie has nothing to do with the relatability of the characters.
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>>80756135
You have to be the only one bothered by two animals being smug to people.
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>>80756078
>And you think this is a good, realistic moment? You think that's what would happen if a conman acted condescendingly to a police captain in front of his men?
Depends on the context :^) Did you see how Bogo, stuck in his ways of being uncaring and just wanting things to be done properly, looked mollified when he realized that woah, Nick's completely right that Judy outpaced his entire police department? Which is a wake-up call?

>Difference being there are like six lines of dialogue in the movie. All of it is shown, not told. If Disney Studios made that movie today, they'd have Wall-E's cockroach friend talk and say "Boy, humans sure liked to throw their trash everywhere, huh?"
Minimal lines of dialog don't make it subtle, anon. That's just arbitrary stupidity on your part.

Remember when Judy instinctively reaches for the fox spray? When the ice cream parlor rejects Nick? Nick's backstory of being bullied for being a fox?
>>80756106
ok, and?

>>80756167
Relatability of characters has to do a lot more with goals, wants, and personality, a lot more than 'realistic' interactions with the police
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>>80755597
>Being this mad over some subtle dialogue that actually made the movie good

God you're more annoying than the guys who read the book before they saw the movie. Always pointing out how flawed or how the scene doesn't match there imagination when none of that matters in the first place. its the creators imagination there making, not yours. I never liked those types of people, and I sure as hell don't like you.
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>>80756167
I'm sorry it's just that..you know. That maybe it could happen?
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>>80756193
I'm apparently bothered by two protagonists being smug assholes for almost the whole movie, yeah.

And the funny thing is, we've been arguing for all this time but that's only one of the points I initially raised as to why I really don't like this movie.
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>>80756248
Yep.

>>80753556
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>>80756341
A grand 99% majority flat out disagrees with a huge chunk of those points, a lot of which are completely subjective, so I don't know what else you expected.
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>>80756204
>Did you see how Bogo, stuck in his ways of being uncaring and just wanting things to be done properly, looked mollified when he realized that woah, Nick's completely right that Judy outpaced his entire police department? Which is a wake-up call?
It reads like one of those fucking made up internet posts about every day heroism. All it's missing is albert einstein and someone being given a hundred dollar bill.

>Minimal lines of dialog don't make it subtle, anon. That's just arbitrary stupidity on your part.

Cool no true scotsman m8.

>Remember when Judy instinctively reaches for the fox spray? When the ice cream parlor rejects Nick? Nick's backstory of being bullied for being a fox?
THAT'S your example of subtlety? The "We don't serve your kind!" scene? The fox spray that they harp on over and over? The bullies who say "You are this kind and therefore have traits ascribed to this kind"? That's the subtle part of the movie to you?

>ok, and?

So it's extremely cringeworthy when a condescending douchebag is just left to go. People don't say "My gosh, he's right and I am beholden to his iron clad logic!" they say "Dude, fuck you, you're an asshole."

>Relatability of characters has to do a lot more with goals, wants, and personality, a lot more than 'realistic' interactions with the police

Then say that instead of HURR DURR CARTOON MOVIE.

>>80756238
Yeah, tons of things can happen. Doesn't mean they're believable.
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>>80756415
>The fox spray that they harp on over and over?
Haha, what?
Now you're just trying too hard. It's mentioned, like, once, and shown twice, and finally a third time with Nick reprimanding Judy.

Let's not also mention Clawhauser being repositioned, Judy having trouble getting a more glamorous position as a policewoman

>Cool no true scotsman m8.
Haha, what? I'm saying that it's stupid that the number of lines of dialog has nothing to do with subtlety. At all.
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>>80756520
>stupid that the
stupid because the*
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>>80755897
>He already showed that he does sperg rage about that shit.
No, he didn't.

> If a police captain got mouthed off to by some smug asshole, you bet your ass they'd go "Uh, excuse me, who are you? Don't tell me how to do my job."
Bogo isn't chief because he's stupid. He knows that he can only get rid of Judy (who has the backing of the mayor's office) if she willingly resigns. That's why he made her the deal in the first place. His intimidation attempt failed and he knows better than to push his luck with no cards in hand. He'll get what he wants in ten hours anyway.
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>that one guy who thinks literally a visual of a whole planet of towers of garbage cubes is subtle
Lol
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>>80756520
>Carry the fox spray!
>I don't need fox spray!
>Wait, let me take the fox spray anyway!
>Oh, I was about to use fox spray!
>Let me reach for this fox spray 'cause I'm scared!

>Let's not also mention Clawhauser being repositioned, Judy having trouble getting a more glamorous position as a policewoman

Clawhauser, who explicitly says "They didn't want a predator at reception"?
Judy, who is explicitly a diversity hire and told that bunnies can't be real cops over and over?

>Haha, what? I'm saying that it's stupid that the number of lines of dialog has nothing to do with subtlety. At all.

It sure fucking does. You as the audience are left to infer what the story is showing you and think through the meaning yourself instead of having the story do all the heavy lifting for you.

Take Nick's flashback, when they start bullying him. The movie does all the thinking for you. It has the kids say he's a fox, he's untrustworthy, he's sly, he's sneaky, etc. Imagine if they said "You think you can be a scout? You're a fox" and left it at that, leaving the audience to contemplate the implications. Every single audience member would think something like "Wait, what does that- ohh, I get it. Foxes are sneaky and sly and untrustworthy and therefore they do not think he belongs with them." That's more satisfying to the audience than having the movie just lazily explain the whole thing for you.
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Stop hurting the smug fox.
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>>80754815
Are you just stupid? Or willfully stupid? Because goddamn, you don't seem to understand that one was reacting to the other as a "taste your own medicine" deal. Seriously, you have severe issues.
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>>80755022
>Are you kidding me? The movie beats you over the head with it repeatedly. Did the "Uh, actually rabbits can call each other cute, but you can't call me cute" line not make you fucking groan?
Notice how she points that out, but then doesn't have a problem with Nick calling her "carrots" throughout the entire movie?
If you want, you can pretend like that's inconsistency, sure.
To me, that shows that she's just used to everyone acting like this stuff is important, and wanted to protect Clawhauser by telling him before he makes an ass out of himself with someone who actually cares about this.

Don't take every line of dialogue at face value. Consider what else we see of the characters, consider the fact that Judy makes a concious point out of avoiding the entire issue, and the one guy she has actually authority over doesn't pull the race card on.


The movie makes a very clear distinction between friends being friends, and Nick continuing to call Judy something that by all rights should be more racist than "cute" (seriously, it's like calling a black guy "watermelon" or "KFC"), and when Judy does something really messed up.

The beauty is infact, that when Nick calls her carrots, he does it intentionally, as a joke, and it doesn't matter.
What Judy does, she doesn't even realize she did, and it didn't even come from a racist place. She just said everything she knew about the issue. She just shared with the people what they both thought was the case at the time, predators going feral. The reason it happened is because she didn't think what people with no insight into it would make of this information, and still shared it despite not having the full picture yet.
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>>80756569
This has nothing to do with the fact that people, especially those in positions of power, don't take kindly to being condescended to by smug douchebags.

>>80756624
Subtler than zootopia by a mile.
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>>80756733
>Clawhauser, who explicitly says "They didn't want a predator at reception"?
While packing up, in response to Judy's question

>Carry the fox spray!
>I don't need fox spray!
>Wait, let me take the fox spray anyway!
>Oh, I was about to use fox spray!
>Let me reach for this fox spray 'cause I'm scared!
Last one is shown, not told; the rest is exaggerated like a hundredfold in your post

>>80756783
>i-it's not mentioned via dialog so it's subtle
How's it feel being a pseudo-intellectual?
It's bizarre that you can't figure out how god damn unsubtle a literal planet of garbage is, in the first fucking scene of the movie, compared to plot developments centered around public fear of predators
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>>80753819
With your level of reading comprehension, I seriously doubt you know what "insipid" means.
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>>80756783
You keep repeating the same arguments. Try again.
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>>80756759
>Notice how she points that out, but then doesn't have a problem with Nick calling her "carrots" throughout the entire movie?
She says "Don't call me carrots" and then doesn't bother 'cause he's gonna keep doing it anyway. By the end of the movie they're friends and she's okay with it.

>What Judy does, she doesn't even realize she did, and it didn't even come from a racist place.
Yeah, this is the "Racism with good intentions" metaphor. It's what the movie does over and over. Here, I'll give the movie some credit to soothe everyone's spergery: at least the movie had the fucking wherewithal to not make the bigotry completely one-sided.

>While packing up, in response to Judy's question
Yeah, and they could have had him say, "They just didn't want me at reception" and shown some deep hurt. Instead they have him passive aggressively saying "Well they didn't want A PREDATOR at reception, huh, Judy, you asshole, you think of that shit? Fuck you."

>Last one is shown, not told; the rest is exaggerated like a hundredfold in your post

And the thing is still harped on over and over.

>It's bizarre that you can't figure out how god damn unsubtle a literal planet of garbage is, in the first fucking scene of the movie, compared to plot developments centered around public fear of predators
I know you're just going to shit all over this, but that "planet of trash" is the background. The movie focuses on just the little robot making cubes. In Zootopia, the racism metaphor is front and center.

>>80756850
Only when they get refuted.
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>>80755255
Tablet tiger is hotter than police tiger and dancer tiger.
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>>80753556
>dreamworks face
Context is important. It actually makes sense to use that face when you bested someone in a contest of wits.

>dance party
It's a fucking out-tro.

>godfather
A classic and as such topical forever.

Kid, you're either a colossal faggot or autistic. The movie wasn't even about racism, it was about believing in yourself and chasing your dreams regardless of what people tell you or who you are.
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>>80756990
>And the thing is still harped on over and over.
>Look everyone, I can't read! And I never really watched the movie, I just read a summary! :)
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>>80756990
>it's the background, therefor it's subtle despite being an actual, literal planet consisting entirely of garbage and pollution
Dude you don't even know how stupid you look right now
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>>80756990
>"Well they didn't want A PREDATOR at reception, huh, Judy, you asshole, you think of that shit? Fuck you."
That wasn't even the line
It was Clawhauser morosely explaining the situation to Judy's question
But of course, being pointlessly vague in response to a question means it's subtle! Throw away all characterization in favor of being 'subtle'!
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>>80757056
>Context is important. It actually makes sense to use that face when you bested someone in a contest of wits.
But over and over and over?

>It's a fucking out-tro.
And just like in Hotel Transylvania, it fucking sucks.

>A classic and as such topical forever.
A reference to a classic is one thing, outright parody is another, especially when that shit is actually extremely plot relevant.

>The movie wasn't even about racism
You've gotta be fucking kidding me right now.

>>80757058
Really? This late in the game, you're going to claim I haven't seen the movie? Okay bro.
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>>80757139
>STOP BEING SMUG ALL THE TIME
If it triggers you that much, you should not go outside.
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>>80757129
>It was Clawhauser morosely explaining the situation to Judy's question

Passive aggressively, you mean. He really emphasizes "A PREDATOR."

>But of course, being pointlessly vague in response to a question means it's subtle! Throw away all characterization in favor of being 'subtle'!

Sorry, what part of the movie showed that Clawhauser was passive aggressive? Wouldn't him trying to spare Judy's feelings by not implying that it was her words that got him fired be more concordant with his previously established kindness and compassion?
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>>80757216
Buddy, if people are condescending assholes all the time to you, you may want to consider that you are the problem.
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>>80751268

They have domestic sheep and pigs.
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>>80757139
>Really? This late in the game, you're going to claim I haven't seen the movie? Okay bro.
I mean, you keep saying it's harped on over and over, when it's just the parents trying to insist on something for a single scene, you just sound like all you did was read someone else's review
>And just like in Hotel Transylvania, it fucking sucks.
I mean, that's just like, your opinion man
Transylvania has a whole host of other problems
>A reference to a classic is one thing, outright parody is another, especially when that shit is actually extremely plot relevant.
"A joke about Godfather means it's bad and it's just parody and wow I have mega autism, huh"
>>80757221
>Passive aggressively,
I don't think that means what you think it means, not to mention I didn't even notice any out-of-place emphasis on the 'predator' part
>Wouldn't him trying to spare Judy's feelings by not implying that it was her words that got him fired be more concordant with his previously established kindness and compassion?
Don't they barely know each other, for one? Not to mention, you're forgetting the line "She's gonna be eaten alive"
>>80757253
All people being assholes isn't what anyone is saying, dipshit
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>>80756990
>I know you're just going to shit all over this, but that "planet of trash" is the background. The movie focuses on just the little robot making cubes. In Zootopia, the racism metaphor is front and center.
What you're describing is not a theme being subtle.
There is nothing subtle about it.

I'm going to make a lot of assumptions here, so I might be wrong, but I think I have the root of the problem locked down.

Your issue isn't with how subtle it is, you issue is with how much it's brought up, how much attention it gets.

In Wall-E it's clear from moment one that the entire story is about consumption and making your problems someone else's problems. There is nothing subtle about that.
Infact, it keeps getting brought up. The chairs? Part of the same message.
Everyone just dressing in the new colour despite not looking at eachother? Part of the "just go with the herd, even if you have no idea where it's going" point.
Captain being incompetent, robots everywhere, pretty much everything that happens harps on humans having given up trying and passed their problems on, choosing not to adress how royally they fucked themselves.
The entire movie is about that, front and center.


The only thing different in Zootopia is that you're pissed off at the topic. Instead of enjyoing the astehtics, the character interactions, Judy tricking Nick into giving her probable cause, them breaking into a lab, etc, you keep smoldering over the scene 15 minutes ago, while in Wall-E's case you don't appear as pissed at the topic and so can enjoy when that movie takes a break from it and instead has robots dancing in space.


So to reiterate:
Your issue isn't with how subtle it is, you issue is with how much it's brought up, how much attention it gets.
But how much attention it gets, is dependant on you. This is a topic that hits closer to home, its more violent topic than Wall-E's apathy. It keeps your attention longer.
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>>80756783
Jesus fucking christ, you turbo-autist. Bogo knows he can get in trouble with the mayor's office for trying to get rid of Judy. He has nothing on Nick, but Nick has something on him. He's not gonna throw a fucking tantrum because his bluff was called.
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>>80756783
Do you even know why people hate the "Dreamworks face"? It's because characters make it for no reason, it's just poster bait because some executive thought it "looks cool".

Judy is a cop and a bunny, she sees Nick as a dumb fox and a criminal lowlife. He called her a naive dreamer just to get tricked by her the next day. She proved him wrong, that's why she's smug.

She's patronizing to Nick because of her prejudice when they first meet, he notices the Fox-Off, that's why he enjoys hustling her so much. She tricks him into helping her, that's why he has the face when he's wasting her time. She plays all self-sure, but is actually quite innocent and naive and that shows, that's why he enjoys teasing her.

They have a dynamic where they challenge and prove each other wrong all the time. The expression applies, the actions make sense.

You literally sound like an aspie: you're mad at a facial expression.
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>>80747037
>>80755025
20 YEARS IN THE ISO-CUTES

>>80755255
are they trying to tell us that the tiger has manboobs?
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>>80757294
>I mean, you keep saying it's harped on over and over, when it's just the parents trying to insist on something for a single scene, you just sound like all you did was read someone else's review
The fox spray gets referenced repeatedly, either explicitly or otherwise. Don't try to call it subtle that she reaches for it when it's called FOX SPRAY.

>Transylvania has a whole host of other problems
Just like Zootopia.

>"A joke about Godfather means it's bad and it's just parody and wow I have mega autism, huh"
It's cringeworthy alright, especially coupled with the timely Snookie reference.

>I don't think that means what you think it means
It does. He's being passive (not confronting her about his grievance with her) aggressive (emphasizing to let her know she has done something wrong).

> not to mention I didn't even notice any out-of-place emphasis on the 'predator' part
Not noticing basic inflection, huh? Sounds like autism.

>Don't they barely know each other, for one? Not to mention, you're forgetting the line "She's gonna be eaten alive"
But he went out of his way to apologize for the cute line and even admit that he was being judgmental.

>All people being assholes isn't what anyone is saying, dipshit
But it is. If I say "These characters are unrealistic because people generally don't act like smug assholes to each other in person" and you and the other spergs in this thread say "LOLOL NEVER GO OUTSIDE I'M SO ORIGINAL" then you're saying that generally, people DO act like smug assholes.
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>>80755089
He'd be a beaver with a cybernetic tail.

Beaver's have buck teeth too, so...
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>>80757404
Those are pecs, anon
>>80757414
>But he went out of his way to apologize for the cute line and even admit that he was being judgmental.
You mean he's multi-faceted?

>Not noticing basic inflection, huh? Sounds like autism.
>Look everyone, I can't read!
>out-of-place

>"These characters are unrealistic because people generally don't act like smug assholes to each other in person"
You're forgetting the context again.

>The fox spray gets referenced repeatedly, either explicitly or otherwise. Don't try to call it subtle that she reaches for it when it's called FOX SPRAY.
Mmm, see, I won't call it being called fox spray subtle. But the problem is that it's thematically appropriate, and gives Nick more reason to be outraged.
>Just like Zootopia.
Zootopia was funnier and had likable characters.

>It does. He's being passive (not confronting her about his grievance with her) aggressive (emphasizing to let her know she has done something wrong).
Like you wouldn't be a bit resentful. Not to mention that's some mild ass passive aggressive-ity.

You gotta figure out where you stand on the realism in character interactions, man.
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>>80757139
The movie ISN'T about racism. It's about breaking molds.

The bully fox becomes a mild-mannered respectable baker.

The weak bunny becomes the best cop on the force.

The fox hustler saves the day and then becomes a cop.

A meek sheep turns out to be the mastermind.

It wasn't racism, it was prejudice that made prey turn against predator. Just another facet of how counterproductive it is to judge people by who they are rather than their actions.

Some parallels with racism can be drawn, but it's far from being so direct and heavy-handed, and you're obtuse if that's the only thing you see.
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>>80757313
>In Wall-E it's clear from moment one that the entire story is about consumption and making your problems someone else's problems.
Thing is, that's not what the story is actually about. No doubt it's part of the backdrop, but it's not what the story hinges on. Zootopia is ABOUT racism. It's inextricably entwined with the main story. Wall-E is actually about romance. The pollution, consumption shit? That's the backdrop.

>The only thing different in Zootopia is that you're pissed off at the topic. Instead of enjyoing the astehtics, the character interactions, Judy tricking Nick into giving her probable cause, them breaking into a lab, etc, you keep smoldering over the scene 15 minutes ago
And you think that "the scene" only occurs once? It happens over and over and over.

If you haven't noticed, the character interactions are part of why I don't like this movie.

>Your issue isn't with how subtle it is, you issue is with how much it's brought up, how much attention it gets.
No, my issue is the inelegance of the lines relevant to the central theme. There are ways to show racism EVEN THROUGH DIALOGUE without being so fucking explicit in the dialogue. If Wall-E had a scene where someone said "Boy we really fucked up the planet!" I'd disapprove too.
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>>80757634
Zootopia is about friendship and overcoming obstacles, everything else is just the backdrop :^)

>No, my issue is the inelegance of the lines relevant to the central theme. There are ways to show racism EVEN THROUGH DIALOGUE without being so fucking explicit in the dialogue. If Wall-E had a scene where someone said "Boy we really fucked up the planet!" I'd disapprove too.
That actually happened, though. There's actually a fucking scene actually just like that. Oh my god, you really are retarded. Did you forget when the robot shows the presidential speech about leaving the planet?
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>>80757414
>spergs
Your the only sperg here, buddy.
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>>80757527
>You mean he's multi-faceted?
More like hackneyed and just says what the writers need him to say to be explicit about every little thing.

>>>out-of-place

So then you're conceding that he does passive aggressively emphasize "A PREDATOR."

>Mmm, see, I won't call it being called fox spray subtle. But the problem is that it's thematically appropriate, and gives Nick more reason to be outraged.
Could've even called it "predator spray" and it would've had the same effect. Hell, even just her reaching for her mace is enough to outrage Nick.

>Zootopia was funnier and had likable characters.
Well, that's true. Hotel Transylvania is a dumpster fire.

>Like you wouldn't be a bit resentful. Not to mention that's some mild ass passive aggressive-ity.

But it's still passive aggressiveness.

>You gotta figure out where you stand on the realism in character interactions, man.

This is not an instance where I am objecting to the realism. This is where I am objecting to the inelegance of the script.
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>>80757676
And what obstacles do they overcome? Oh yeah, racism.

>That actually happened, though. There's actually a fucking scene actually just like that. Oh my god, you really are retarded. Did you forget when the robot shows the presidential speech about leaving the planet?
He says that they have to leave the planet because it's uninhabitable, and yeah, those scenes are my least favorite part of the movie. But it's not like the modern humans say "Boy, pollution sure is wrong huh!"
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>>80757783
>this whole post
did you notice how especially stereotyped foxes were? it makes sense for there to be 'fox spray'

not to mention he could also be passive aggressively saying that as a resentment of the whole situation

i still don't even think it's passive aggressive, and it still makes sense to me for him to sound resentful

>More like hackneyed and just says what the writers need him to say to be explicit about every little thing.
"if admittedly comic-relief characters display more than one trait, it's hackneyed"
>>80757857
>But it's not like the modern humans say "Boy, pollution sure is wrong huh!"
having them plant a flower at the end is just as hilariously explicit
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>>80757857
>RACISM! RACISM! RACISM!
Jesus christ. You're really just going to ignore everything else and spout " R A C I S M".
Get some sleep.
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>>80757905
>did you notice how especially stereotyped foxes were? it makes sense for there to be 'fox spray'

Weasels seem to get about the same treatment. Sneaky, untrustworthy. A big chase scene even happens because a weasel steals shit. Why isn't it "Fox and weasel spray"?

>i still don't even think it's passive aggressive, and it still makes sense to me for him to sound resentful
It's definitely passive aggressive and the issue that it doesn't make sense, it's that it's unsubtle. There are other things they could have done that are more nuanced and less explicit.

>"if admittedly comic-relief characters display more than one trait, it's hackneyed"

No, having the comic relief character say "Guess they didn't want A PREDATOR" is hackneyed.

>having them plant a flower at the end is just as hilariously explicit
Because they show the moral through an action instead of explicit dialogue? What?
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>>80757906
A movie about racism is de facto about breaking the mold and overcoming bigotry because that is an inherent part of ending racism, you fucking retard. That's like saying a movie isn't about clowns, it's just about big shoes, crazy hair, white makeup, and red noses.
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>>80758058
>Weasels seem to get about the same treatment. Sneaky, untrustworthy.
not shown; it's just one weasel that's sneaky and untrustworthy

>Because they show the moral through an action instead of explicit dialogue? What?
whoosh, right over your head, should I remind you that dialog has nothing to do with subtlety?

>No, having the comic relief character say "Guess they didn't want A PREDATOR" is hackneyed.
if you exaggerate it, sure
"it's unrealistic for someone to put emphasis on the crux of an issue they're having!"
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>>80758116
spoiler;
there are other themes than racism
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>>80758146
>not shown; it's just one weasel that's sneaky and untrustworthy

Forgetting that Judy's dad mentions the weasel who cheats at cards?

>whoosh, right over your head, should I remind you that dialog has nothing to do with subtlety?
>nothing to do with subtlety
>nothing
oh wow

>"it's unrealistic for someone to put emphasis on the crux of an issue they're having!"

How many times do I have to fucking say that realism is not the issue with this moment? Seriously, in this discussion, why does it take me saying things four times to get it through your thick fucking skull?
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>>80758193
k
Movie's still mostly about racism tho
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>>80758210
>oh wow
Lines of dialog have nothing to do with subtlety, anon.

>Forgetting that Judy's dad mentions the weasel who cheats at cards?
If the archetype is there, it's hardly there. And really, it's just clunky, not to mention pointless to the movie, to put "Fox & Weasel spray".
>>80758245
see:
>>80757577
>>80757313
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>>80758294
>Lines of dialog have nothing to do with subtlety, anon.
You genuinely believe this? You think there's no such thing as subtle or unsubtle dialogue; that dialogue can't support or hinder the subtlety of a movie?

>If the archetype is there, it's hardly there.
Same goes for the sly fox archetype.

>And really, it's just clunky, not to mention pointless to the movie, to put "Fox & Weasel spray".
Exactly. Fox Spray is already clunky.

>The movie ISN'T about racism. It's about breaking molds.
>list of molds broken

This goes back to "not a movie about clowns, just about clown components and how they are assembled." It's all to do with racism.

I already responded to the second post.
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>>80758437
There's unsubtle scenes without dialog, is the point, dipshit.

>Same goes for the sly fox archetype.
Not at all. Nick is very much shown as being a sly fox, doing sly fox things (such as a hustle) because he was treated as a sly fox his whole life
>It's all to do with racism.
Lol, go to bed. Further parallels that can be drawn;
Sexism, never giving up, blah blah blah blah blah, I'm sure you get the drill.
see;
>>80757577
>>80757313
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>>80746962
Well, Wolverine would be a wolverine, obviously.
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>>80758058
>Why isn't it "Fox and weasel spray"?
Did you get dropped on your head a lot as a child?

Judys parents buy her fox spray because bunnies stand no chance against foxes (who are their stereotyped natural enemy) without something like the fox spray to even the score. Weasels are not stereotyped as bunnies' natural enemies and the only weasel shown in the movie is easily overpowered by a female bunny without the use of weasel spray. It would make no fucking sense to make it "fox and weasel spray".
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>>80758549
>There's unsubtle scenes without dialog, is the point, dipshit.
That's true, but showing is better than telling, and planting a flower isn't unsubtle.

>Not at all. Nick is very much shown as being a sly fox, doing sly fox things (such as a hustle) because he was treated as a sly fox his whole life
And the weasels cheat at cards, steal shit, endanger people, and pickpocket at concerts.

>Sexism
Oh don't you worry, I got that one too. Wasn't exactly... subtle.

>never giving up
Against racism, you mean. Oh, and against sexism.

Man you just linked the same two posts that I already responded to. Let me say it twice more so you get it through your head since you have the weird four times rule.

I already responded to those two posts.
I already responded to those two posts.
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>>80758437
>a female anthropomorphic bunny carrying fox spray is clunky
No it fucking isn't.
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>>80758775
>and planting a flower isn't unsubtle.
Now we're going to go in circles, because I disagree with that heartily. There's a reason that's a common picture for ad campaigns.

>Against racism, you mean. Oh, and against sexism.
Oh man now we're getting into the real autism

>>80757577
>>80757313
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>>80753556
1- most of what you said is right
2- is a damn childrens movie, its The little bunny that could, its only purpose is to look pretty and be etertaining, if you want engaging plot and proper development/resolution you are looking for it in the wrong place.
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>>80758775
>I already responded to those two posts.
Not him, but your responses to any posts leave much to be desired.
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>>80758790
The existence of "Fox spray" is clunky. Imagine if they sold "Black male spray." Just call it mace and be done with it.
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>>80758859
>fox spray for rabbits is clunky
>animal species are directly analogous to human skin color
Now we're finding the root of your stupidity.
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>>80758837
>Now we're going to go in circles, because I disagree with that heartily. There's a reason that's a common picture for ad campaigns.
Because it symbolizes hope and rebirth.

>Oh man now we're getting into the real autism
So no response.

I already responded to those two posts. Get that through your fucking skull.

>>80758840
>-is a damn childrens movie, its The little bunny that could, its only purpose is to look pretty and be etertaining, if you want engaging plot and proper development/resolution you are looking for it in the wrong place.
Would you have said this after seeing Toy Story? I wouldn't have.

>>80758855
What, because you disagree with them?
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>>80758913
It's clunky because the specieism is supposed to be a more subtle thing in a society where prey and predator coexist, hence Judy's later "bigotry despite good intentions" moment at the press conference. It's much cleaner if it's just mace or even "anti-predator spray," since that could me used by all prey species instead of just rabbits.
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>>80758935
>Because it symbolizes hope and rebirth.
Wew
Now that's what I call grasping at straws

>So no response.
It takes some extreme low-functioning autism to think the only plot points revolved around racism metaphors.

>It's clunky because the specieism is supposed to be a more subtle thing in a society where prey and predator coexist,
Hahahahahahahaha
'supposed to be'
Hahahahaha what the fuck
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>>80758649
>not a Dwarf Rat
Making an animal hero their animal is too easy.
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>>80758855
Well his analysis in the first place left a lot to be desired, I don't think he's really capable of thinking about this properly right now. He's REALLY hung up on the racism thing and how the characters being "smug" was annoying, there's not a lot of intelligent analysis to be hand out of those viewpoints.
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>>80758859
>The existence of "Fox spray" is clunky.
No it fucking isn't.
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>>80759039
Yep. In other words...his viewpoint is shit.
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>>80759022
>Now that's what I call grasping at straws

See, here's how I know it's subtler than zootopia: because you don't understand this
>Dead planet
>Flower emerges
>Enough to trigger catatonic state in girlbot
>Bad guy fights good guys over flower to stop return to dead planet since there is no hope
>Flower is planted in dead planet at the end
>Reborn hope.

>It takes some extreme low-functioning autism to think the only plot points revolved around racism metaphors.

Would you prefer I called them "systemic bigotry and oppression metaphors"?

And as usual, you have no real response.
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>>80759067
I forgot we shared our societies with bears. My bear coworkers are gonna be pissed if they find out.
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>>80759039
He's on a sperg rage, that's all there is to it.
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>>80759039
>No actual refutation
Thanks for conceding.
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>>80759134
>it's all just oppression guys! guys! I read reviews and summaries, guys!

>Dead planet
>Flower emerges
>Enough to trigger catatonic state in girlbot
>Bad guy fights good guys over flower to stop return to dead planet since there is no hope
>Flower is planted in dead planet at the end
>Reborn hope.
That's kinda laid on thick, don't you think?
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>>80759205
>If I keep saying sperg without any argument that means I'm right
Thanks for conceding.
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>>80759223
>m-muh refutations
>m-muh everything must be implied, rather than having a plot directly about the problem

You really do just repeat yourself, huh?
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>>80759223
>>80759272
>expecting anything but these responses when you just repeat MUH RACISM and MUH SUBTLETY
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>>80759272
I'm right either way, but mocking the tard is always fun.
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>>80759231
>>it's all just oppression guys! guys! I read reviews and summaries, guys!
If believing that I haven't seen the movie lets you believe that it's good, by all means, keep believing it.

>That's kinda laid on thick, don't you think?
Because I literally just explained it to you directly. The movie itself didn't. It's more subtle, as evidenced by the fact that you thought that analysis was "grasping at straws" before I explained it to you.

>>80759277
Repeating is apparently the only way to get basic concepts into your head.

>>80759322
Yeah, no.
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>>80759351
>I'm right despite having zero arguments
Thanks for conceding.
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>>80759393
Even if those things you're repeating are bullshit and retarded?
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>>80759393
>If believing that I haven't seen the movie lets you believe that it's good,
This is how we know you're a sperg. Only spergs say things like this. "Stop liking what I don't like!"

>Repeating is apparently the only way to get basic concepts into your head.
Keep telling yourself that :^) We've said why we disagree, but you keep just repeating yourself, without even any further explanation than you've already done, expecting it to make any sort of difference.
>Yeah, no.
so no argument then LOL XDDD? thanks for conceding lol XDdd got em
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>>80759439
>autism intensifies
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>>80759439
>I'm going to take everything you guys say
serious
Thanks for memeceding.
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>>80759508
>No arguments
Guess we're done here.
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>>80759171
Go on... explain how this is relevant.
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>>80759564
>I'm going to take everything you guys say serious

Thanks for memecending
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>>80759612
thanks for conceding ;)
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>>80759617
Because in the movie, foxes share a society with rabbits. We don't share a society with bears. Therefore, fox spray isn't like bear spray.
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>>80759669
then again, blacks didn't used to eat us alive, either
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>>80759697
Careful, you'll summon /pol/.
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>>80759726
I'll summon your pole ;)
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>>80759669
>in the movie, foxes share a society with rabbits. We don't share a society with bears. Therefore, fox spray isn't like bear spray.
This is what we call a non sequitur. Good for comedy, not so good for arguments.
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>Fox spray is clunky
>Fox spray is pointless in the movie
Learn your symbolism and metaphors for fuck sake!
At the beginning, Judy get scratch on her head by that bully fox, that scar is supposed to represent the fear she gains about predators as a child, but instead to be full trauma for the rest of her life, she decided to hide that fear behind her optimism and her idealism because she wants to believe at the idea of an utopia where preys and predators live in peace and can be anything they wants. The scar being healed with the time, her hidden fear is symbolized by that Fox spray, she almost use it when she saw Nick for the first time. During the confrontation between her and Nick because of her "biological" speech, she almost use it too since that fear still exist in her, even when she and him ware beginning to be friends.
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>>80759899
Are you serious? The poster was attempting to establish analogy between between bear spray used and fox spray used by movie rabbits to support the idea of fox spray being logical. But the relationship between humans and bears is not like movie rabbits and movie foxes. Therefore, the analogy falls apart. What part of that is a nonsequitur?

>>80759922
Man, I get this. It's all incredibly obvious. That's the problem.
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>>80760033
>movie rabbits and movie foxes
You're pretty much deconstructing your own argument here. Living in coexistence with people that used to eat your kind is a lot different from what you're talking about.
>Man, I get this. It's all incredibly obvious. That's the problem.
here
we
go
again
>m-muh movies must never have a plot directly revolving around the point
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>>80760099
>You're pretty much deconstructing your own argument here. Living in coexistence with people that used to eat your kind is a lot different from what you're talking about.
EXACTLY, THAT'S WHY THE BEAR SPRAY IS A STUPID POINT

>>m-muh movies must never have a plot directly revolving around the point
we're not talking about plot, we're talking about the symbolism
we're not talking about plot, we're talking about the symbolism
we're not talking about plot, we're talking about the symbolism
we're not talking about plot, we're talking about the symbolism

There, that's four times. Should be enough, right?
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>>80760161
No, that's why your argument is a stupid one. Bear spray is an example of spray for a specific species, so it's not hard to imagine that fox spray would exist.

>we're not talking about plot, we're talking about the symbolism
But the plot is the symbolism :^)
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>>80755597
>If you had your way in the 90's the scene in Toy Story where Buzz tries to fly wouldn't have had him saying nothing and leaving all the meaning to the visuals - it would've had Buzz going, "I can fly! I can! Oh no, wait, what's going on? I-I'm falling?! But that means... I'm a toy!" and that tragic, beautiful moment would've been ruined.

Randy Newmen says it instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vddEvqS6M4o
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>>80760033
>It's all incredibly obvious. That's the problem.
Okay what is the fucking problem of being "obvious" when it helps the plot?
I'm agree that was not totally subtly, but it was not annoying too.
It was not at the "obvious" level of an elephant in a tiny room.
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>>80760199
This is how this argument is going.
>Me: Fox Spray doesn't make sense.
>You: But bear spray exists.
>Me: But we don't live with bears.
>You: Yeah but foxes live with rabbits.
>Me: Exactly, so fox spray doesn't make sense since the two situations are not comparable in the first place.
>You: But bear spray exists.
etc. etc.
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>>80760334
I mean, if you want to continue missing the point...
Spray for specific species that will potentially kill you definitely exist.
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I want to see Nick break down in tears while Judy comforts him
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>>80760217
I know this is supposed to be your big "I TOLD YOU SO" moment but this is a really fucking rare choice. Outside of Toy Story 2, how many other CG movies have this sort of moment, with the nondiagetic music providing the narrative?
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>>80760255
>I'm agree that was not totally subtly, but it was not annoying too.
I'm actually going to agree. On its own, it's fine. It's that the rest of the movie is filled with a lack of subtlety that it becomes a problem.

>>80760356
BUT WE DON'T LIVE AMONG THEM. If we lived with bears and mosquitos and whatnot, the fact that "bear spray" and "mosquito spray" exist would be very very weird. Since rabbits and foxes live among each other in the movie, it's weird that fox spray exists. How are you not getting this yet?
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>>80756999
every background especie looks exactly the same but with different outfit
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>>80760549
Living among them has nothing to do with being eaten for lunch.

Not to mention, it's not so weird when you remember there's a whole bunch of snake oil out there for people who're uninformed/paranoid. I'm thinking the kind of thing tabloid magazines would sell. And it makes sense that Judy's parents would buy it, considering their nature.
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>>80760549
>If we lived with bears and mosquitos and whatnot, the fact that "bear spray" and "mosquito spray" exist would be very very weird.
No it wouldn't. The latter would be considered a chemical warfare agent, but it wouldn't be weird for either of them to exist.
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>>80760549
We live among dogs, don't we?
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>>80760586
>Living among them has nothing to do with being eaten for lunch.
FUCKING THAT'S EXACTLY WHY- ugh never mind just loop this whole argument until you get it.

>>80760792
Fine. It's weird that it isn't seen like someone pulling out mustard gas.

>>80760846
Are you fucking serious right now? Does your dog pay rent? Does your dog vote? Seriously, do you honestly think they're comparable? If dogs could walk and talk and be members of society like humans are, FUCKING OBVIOUSLY it would be weird for us to have dog spray. Even something as stupid as Family Guy knows this, which is why they make it a joke whenever Brian gets treated like a real dog.
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>>80760961
>Are you fucking serious right now? Does your dog pay rent? Does your dog vote? Seriously, do you honestly think they're comparable?
Grasping for straws.gif
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>>80760999
Oh you're right I forgot rabbits own foxes like pets in zootopia. Why would they include that? Shitty movie indeed.
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>>80761074
Rabbits tend to live in fear, anon. ;^)
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>>80746962
It's amazing how much damage one incredibly dedicated shitposter can do to a thread. Better luck next thread, guys.
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>>80760961
>Does your dog pay rent? Does your dog vote?
Neither do bears, yet we use different sprays for dogs and bears. It's almost like the right to vote or the ability to pay rent has fuck-all to do with the strength of mace required to neutralize a threat.
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>>80761102
>I WAS JUST PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED
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>that one low-functioning autist trying to argue with everyone
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Nope. This is the new Zootopia thread.
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>>80761344
The last main one just died, so this is probably it now
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/Zoo/ thread?
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>>80761171
But we don't live among them so it's not weird but it would be weird if we lived among them.
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>>80761407
let's just get this to bump limit quick and get it over with. or better yet, summon janitors


would you take his knot?
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>>80761407
I mean there's a second thread up, but it's slow

>>80761412
You smell funny
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>>80761412
Would it be weird if we labeled mace " people deterrent"?
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>>80761412
No it wouldn't.
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I really just wanted a thread full of cute animal heros.
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>>80761456
I'd buy it just for the laughs, just sounds like a brand of mace desu
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>>80761456
>Would it be weird if we labeled mace " people deterrent"?
It would be weird if there were sprays for different segments of society, like "Black male spray" or something, yeah.
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>>80761407
>some people whine about autists loving Zootopia
>the biggest autist these threads have ever seen hates it

But seriously, this thread is shit.
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>>80761490
Honestly? It fits in a cartoon world about animals.
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>>80761490
Black males aren't ten times as big as say, asian males. They don't require different strengths of mace.
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>>80761511
Yeah.
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>>80761511
nothing draws out autists like autists with different oppinions
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>>80761490
>You will never own "White Banker who just bought a new Ferrari and is cheating on his wife with three other women deterrent spray"

Why do I even bother with tax evasion?
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>>80761465
Yes it would. It would in fact be weird to have different sprays for different segments of the populace.
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>>80761517
Nice job vehicle anon. Now I dare you to design a vehicle for bats.
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>>80761576
No it wouldn't, because we don't have bears as a different segment of the populace, silly. If we did we'd still need a separate mace, because regular ass mace ain't cutting it.
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>>80761579
Too hard to be quite honest family
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>>80761452
of course i would
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>>80761611
> because we don't have bears as a different segment of the populace
YES EXACTLY
THAT'S WHY FOX SPRAY IS CLUNKY
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>>80761635
hang gliders
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>>80761653
Look who didn't read the whole post!
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>>80761513
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>>80761653
You're not making any sense as usual.
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>>80751268
>Pigs and sheeps aren't domesticated
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>>80761517
Chief Bogo's personal SWAT Cruiser

Something big, muscley, and looks like what would happen if a Mad Max Raider had access to proper parts and equipment.

>>80761513
Well that's an improvement from having Judy as Piper.
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BETTER THREAD
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why is nick so perfect
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>>80761689
you are digging your own grave to the /trash/ idiot
stop making threads all over the board god damn
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>>80761771
>Implying I made it
You know there's more than one person who make these threads, right?
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>>80761693
because he smug
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>>80761576
The only reason we don't have different pepper sprays for different segments of the population is because the only segment of the population that would require a different pepper spray is children, and pepper spraying children is usually frowned upon. If someone did ever design a pepper spray intended to be used on children, you can be damn sure it wouldn't be the same strength as one intended for an adult.
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>>80761685
I'll do Bogo in an M117... tomorrow. So hang around and maybe you'll see it. For now I'm going to try and make something cute
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>this thread
I don't have an image of salt but if I did, oh boy would I post it hard
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>>80751401
There are wild pigs
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>>80761903
Mm... Yes, perfect. Thank you.
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>>80753991
I'm sorry to tell you this way anon, but you're on 4chan.
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>>80753556
I think you might just be a biased cynic.
>75% of the movie is filled with Nick and Judy having a "Who can be a bigger smug asshole" contest
Nick is smug when he meets Judy, and when he teases her. It's a part of his character. If you don't like smug, conniving characters, that's not the movie's fault. Judy can only be called 'smug' at the points when she outsmarts nick, and only does so to mock his own demeanor. Ever other interaction she has with every other character shows her as compassionate and optimistic.
>As a result of the above, DREAMWORKS FACE FUCKING EVERYWHERE
This is stupid. You personally dislike smug characters, and dislike dreamworks. Again, your problem, not the movie's.
>The specieism::racism metaphor blows its load in the first five minutes and just plateaus for the rest of the movie
>The writing is more heavy-handed than lead boxing gloves (both of the protagonists "traumatic backstory" moments include the bullies saying "You're just an X, therefore you have [list of traits attributed to X]") and the movie lacks any semblance of subtlety.
What happens to the characters, and what's going on in the movie isn't meant to be subtle. It's supposed to be clear what's going on in their world, and why. Nick and Judy having that same experience is supposed to tie the characters together, while also showing the problem from both sides, which is where the subtlety comes in. Neither predator nor prey parallels any one race in the real world. Neither is objectively oppressed by the other. The problem is the predisposition both sides have about each other. They don't trust each other. It's about differences between groups of people in general. maybe that was too subtle for you to pick up on, I don't know.

cont.
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>>80762299

>we didnt get a scene where a full on violent riot happens because of race and the swat teams are called in to stop it, including Judy and she stares horrified at the destruction she brought
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>>80762363
>The characters get out of many bad situations due to coincidence. Coincidence is good for getting your characters into shit, but bad for getting them out of it.
Fair enough, though I would argue that it's more than just coincidence. In the Fru-fru scene, we'd already seen that Judy saved Fru-fru's life, a demonstration of her kindness. In return, the character arrives to save her life. Not so much coincidence, as it is good karma. The only other coincidence I can think of is where she saw Otterton eating the pawpsicle. I could argue that even if she hadn't met nick before that, just seeing the pawpsicle would give her a reason to find the person selling them to question them.
Lastly, pretty much everything else you've said is a personal complaint that no one else has.
You ignore every moment in the film that could be seen as positive, and it gives me the impression that you only paid attention to half of the fucking movie.
I'm the first to say that someone is entitled to their own opinion, but I can also tell when someone is so far up their own ass with cynicism that they can't find positive qualities in anything, and I'm afraid that's what I see in you.
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Youre allowed to be smug when youre this cute.
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>>80763820
but are you allowed to be cute when you're that smug?
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I want to hug Nick and tell him to keep trying no matter how shitty life gets

Because it will all be worth it in the end



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